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5 minutes ago, Brand J said:
Oh yeah, things could def be worse. We could be 31st in cap savings and not nearly as competitive (Saints). A lot of that has to do with our QB though. Things would be quite different if David Carr was throwing passes for us.
Agreed. We won 6 games in row including a playoff game and took KC to the brink with no or minimal contributions from Tre, Milano, Von, and Knox… 4 of our 7 highest cap hits. I will be disappointed if Beane doesn’t use the next 3 weeks to clean up the cap.
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12 minutes ago, Brand J said:
Knox is a good player. A bit inconsistent, but he’s good. His true value lies somewhere between $8-$10M/yr and is likely what he would have got had he hit the open market prior to this offseason (where I expect a number of deals to be inflated). He’s not only making a bit more than he should, but his importance as a receiver has lessened with the addition of Kincaid. It’s not a Star Lotuleile egregious contract, but it isn’t one of Beane’s better decisions/extensions.
Similarly, I have no idea what he was thinking giving Diggs a 4 yr $96M extension at his age. Diggs was due a pay raise, but should’ve got half the length. A 2 yr $48M extension would’ve made much more sense and he’d be a 32 year old when it expired, looking for what would likely be his final contract. That deal was probably worse than Knox’s. The Von contract was worse than all, but only because of injury. After shedding a number of guys and fixing the cap issues when he first became GM, Bills are now 32nd ranked in cap because of Beane’s bad spending.
Yet we were still the 2 seed the last 2 years. The problem is if these bad contracts aren’t addressed properly going forward. Beane was just handed a giant gift with the huge cap increase this year and going forward.
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34 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
It is that he has not a single extra dollar due from the Bills at this point and his best chance of rehabbing and getting back to form is here where the regime love him, the team knows his body and he knows the scheme. Therefore there is incentive to offer him a small amount of guaranteed new money (I suggested $8m, I think Joe B suggested $10m) in exchange for him taking a significant cut in the unguaranteed chunks he is due in 2024 and 2025. That way you lower his cap hits to about $10m per year the next two years, kick a little bit of the bonus into some void years beyond 2025 (and I'm talking max $4-5m spread over two years) and give yourself Tre under contract in 2024 while still saving the same $$s off the cap as cutting him would and you get an out after 2024 so if he is washed or he gets hurt again you can move on and it costs you less than the $10m in dead money it costs now if we cut him.
I don’t know. Seemed like Bills had to coax Tre back on field after the ACL injury. Add the achilles tear and there’s no way I’m guaranteeing him any new money. We all love Tre but it’s time to move on.
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Tasker isn’t wrong. Elam has more upside at corner and I think Douglas would be a pro bowl safety. He’s a ball hawk that likes to hit.
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Maybe OJ can help him get his stuff back.
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9 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
if the cap keeps going up, dead hits are much less impactfulExactly. Cut the non-performing contracts and split it over the next 2 years. This is a gift to McBeane. Do not pay Miller another penny. Same with Tre.
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25 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:
LOL, the Bills aren't cutting Miller. His cap hit is 23.8 million, but his dead cap is 32.5. Why would anyone essentially pay more not to have someone play?
Even if you do the June 1 cut, his cap hit is 17 million and you adding a cap hit to 2025. Miller will be a Bill in 2024.
Cutting him in 2025 makes much more sense. His dead cap would be down to 15.4 vs a roster cap hit of 23.9. However, a June 1 cut cap cost would be down to 6.4. This would be much more feasible.
Below are Spotrac's recommendations for the Bills
https://www.spotrac.com/news/whats-next-buffalo-bills-2199/
Cap casualties - White, Bates, Harty, Hines, and Hamlin. IMHO Harty and Hines need to go. Cutting Hamlin saves nothing, other than freeing a roster spot for his replacement. White is going to be restructured vs cut. If they are going to move on from Bates, it will be through trade, but a cap casualty
Cap conversions - Allen (obviously), Knox (again likely), Poyer and Miller. They suggest Poyer conversation with 4 void years to save 2.8 mill and moving $8 mill of Miller's salary to a bonus. This will limit the cap vs dead cap in 2025, but opens money for this season. I doubt the Bills do this, especially if they want to move on in 2025.
Extensions - Dawkins and T Johnson (both need to get done). Also Douglas (everyone agree here as well).
Others - Diggs - Cap conversion. I think the increased cap makes this move less likely. Milano - conversion. I think this is an interesting question. It doesn't yield much, but makes it harder to move on from his deal in 2025 if he has another injury-plagued season. Ed Oliver - Contract extension. This looks more likely in 2025.
So you’re good paying another $6.5m to Miller in a month when he couldn’t beat out Kingsley Jonathan for snaps? Take the gift of the extra $13m in cap this year and 13.5% that it’s most likely increasing every year after and be done with Miller. Same with Tre. Take the medicine and move on.
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5 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:
I understand your argument. You’d like a veteran insurance policy in case the rookie early draft pick isn’t ready to contribute right away.
Unfortunately I don’t think that player exists for a price we can afford. Might as well add Sherfield to the practice squad
There are always guys in free agency that don’t get what they think they’re worth in the first couple waves of free agency and decide a 1 year $6m deal with a Josh Allen throwing to them is their best bet.
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https://www.spotrac.com/news/whats-next-buffalo-bills-2199/
I wouldn’t deal Bates and there’s no way I’m paying Miller the $6.5 that’s due in March.
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9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I am not talking about looking to free agency for an upgrade to Davis. I don't think you will find one for a price the Bills can go to. Shakir and Kincaid are slot guys. I'm talking about if you think Diggs is still an elite option or close to it outside then you can fly with 2 or 3 guys (2 picks plus possibly Shorter) who have never played a down of NFL football. If you think there is a decline in Diggs game then it is probably wise to at least have another veteran option who can offer you something early in the season while you phase some young guys in. I don't expect that guy to be an upgrade on Gabe. Not at all. I expect that guy to be an upgrade on Sherfield or the year before on Kumerow. Your long term #2 (and hopefully long term #1) has to be the drafted guy. But if you have a somewhat diminished #1 and a #2 that takes some time to get up to speed your passing game is going to suffer in the short term. You would need someone else to pick up some slack.
Agree with this. We won’t be shopping in the 1st or even 2nd wave of free agency for WR but if we don’t get a 1st round WR, I think we’d be a popular destination for a free agent WR on a 1 year deal that didn’t get the money they wanted in the 1st and 2nd wave of free agency.
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I wonder where Diggs falls on that list?
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Kind of amazing that we won 6 games in a row at end of year and got 2 seed when you look at our cap. Miller and Tre are done, Milano 2nd major injury of his 6 year career, Knox is now a nice #2 Tight End, and Diggs was playing like #2 WR second half of year. 5 of our top 7 cap hits are either non-producing or under-performing their contracts.
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8 minutes ago, vtnatefootball11 said:
Bringing this thread back to life after some time has passed from the Knox signing. I took a lot of heat for saying it on this board at the time, but it was a terrible contract then and looks even worse now. It needs to be talked about how bad of a miss this was by Beane.
The gift that keeps giving. He’s due $5m roster bonus in march that’s guaranteed. Paying him $10m this year to be a glorified Quentin Morris.
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pass on Jones. 32 year old who missed 10 games last year. No thanks unless it’s close to vet minimum.
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3 to 1 odds equates to 75% chance he’s a Bill this year. Seems right.
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30 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
Yeah, no. This goes back to what I was saying.
You and others view it as "we're paying it either way, so what does it matter?"
That's not how teams think. Money, whether it's cap or not, is money being paid.They think "we're paying it whether he's here or not, so why wouldn't we just keep him?"
All year long, during the Offseason, during the season, and after the season - it was the same refrain. "We need a true #2 for Josh so that he's not relying exclusively on Diggs".
It didn't happen. Some guys stepped up in the Slot, but when Davis fell off a cliff and especially when he was out of the lineup completely - we saw Diggs' production fall. That wasn't a coincidence. As teams, who already blanketed him, could afford to cover him even harder.
So now that we are going to provide both he and Allen with help, why would we now get rid of him? He could have a renaissance with another playmaker taking pressure off him.
Even with the "drop off", he still was top 10 in Receptions at the end of the year. Still top half of the league in yardage. He didn't just go from what he was putting up throughout his career and the first half of the season to completely done.
You mention a fresh start for Allen. But he doesn't want that. He's been asked multiple times this offseason and he's said the same thing - he loves Diggs. He doesn't want him to go anywhere. He sees much more on the horizon for them.
Long story short, we're paying him a ton of money either way. So if you're doing that either way, you keep him. There's a GREAT chance that he'll be able to do more with a playmaker alongside him and won't be worked down to the wick by the end of the year, and Josh Allen doesn't want it.
Diggs has zero guaranteed money left on his contract, so if we cut him before March 17th Bills don’t owe him another penny. It’s just a matter of accounting for the $31m in remaining bonus and restructuring cap charges. That’s not real money. It’s already been paid.
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11 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
But…you’re paying $ regardless? So it comes down to how much both sides want to continue thisthe way I’m viewing this is:
27.8 million cap = Diggs on the team. Cool.
Maybe he’s still elite WR1. But, there’s risk his attitude is a negative or his play declines18.1 million cap = Diggs traded for 9.7 million cap savings + valuable asset gained + fresh start for Josh Allen
My read is if Bills trade Diggs pre June 1 the dead cap is $31m. Same dead cap if they cut him before March 18th when his $19m 2024 salary becomes guaranteed but they can spread the $31m over 2 years if they designate him as a post June 1 cap causality. People are too focused on the Bills being $50m over the cap right now when at least $50m can be freed up pain free and will be in the next 4 weeks.
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12 minutes ago, julian said:
He’s a typical WR diva, unfortunately his play drops off in the postseason, the contract extension is Bean’s biggest resigning mistake by far. I don’t hold it against him as I was onboard with the extension at the time, it just sucks it’s turned out the way it has.
If it were only about Diggs refusal to answer media questions as some are suggesting then this wouldn’t even be a story, it’s about his on field performance in the playoffs and his lack of accountability coming from a team captain.
It’s highly unlikely he goes anywhere because of the financials, so let’s just hope with a stud rookie on the other side it rejuvenates Diggs competitive juices in January.
Agreed. 16 catches for 140 yards, 0 TD’s on 35 targets in our last 4 playoffs losses. He’s a good WR but ain’t that dude and never was. He complained his way out of Minnesota to find a situation where he’d get more targets. Kudos to him for betting on Josh before others outside of Buffalo did. Josh is now unquestionably a top 3 QB and we can do better at #1WR. Mike Evans please.
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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:
I'd rip the band aid off with Miller. I'd keep Stef one more year, because that is the sensible way to play it if you want to eat pain this year and free yourself up next year as long as you do not (and I wouldn't) press the restructure button which allows them to save money this year with him but costs more next year.
No way I’m restructuring Diggs. 16 catches for 140 yards with zero TD’s on 35 targets in our last 4 playoff losses. We need a #1 WR to get over the hump. I’d much prefer moving on altogether and bring in Mike Evans. The Chiefs and Bengals have too many of their own guys to sign. Playing with Josh is Evans best option. At a minimum, get Diggs, White, and Von off the books this year and spread the dead cap over 2 years while we still have a plethora of good young starters on rookie deals like Benford, Bernard, Rousseau, Kincaid, Shakir, Cook, Cyrus, and Brown.
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2 minutes ago, DCofNC said:
Allen can’t go anywhere, he’s under contract, same for McClappy. It’s not a tank, it’s a rebuild, with addition by subtraction. The Chiefs did it just 2 years ago, unloading Hill, Frank Clark, etc, all “key” players and wound up winning the SB. The Packers retooled several times during Favre/Rodgers time. What you are saying is “I’m scared to watch a team cut the fat”. Poyer’s contract was set up to let him go this year btw, so pretending you have any idea what you are talking about is amusing. Yes, it will hurt, yes, you will have to part ways/not resign others because of taking the garbage out and yea some may have to be post June 1 designations to make it all spread out and hurt less, but it’s all doable and a lot of it needs to happen.The thing is all the injuries this year showed McBeane you can still win without keeping/paying every decent player you’ve drafted the last 6 years.
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1 minute ago, BuffaloBillyG said:
So, you would seriously consider trading Diggs, creating $31M in dead cap space and then sign Evans (who is expected to see somewhere in the $20M-$25M a year zone) so we could bring in a player on a rookie deal at a position that is already pretty stacked.
A few things. First off, now you see why Tannenbaum is on TV instead of in a front office. Guy is a grade A idiot.
Second...what other moves in this fantasy scenario are you making to afford this? Starting a GoFundMe?
The idea to eat dead cap in that substantial amount to get a guy on a rookie contract as the reward...kind of self defeating, no?
Reminds me of my father in law that drives 2 hours out of his way (each way) to save 6 cents a gallon on gas.
Trading Diggs vs keeping him on his current deal adds $3m to the 2024 cap. Evans is unquestionably an upgrade to Diggs. Evans even at $20m+ per year contract wouldn’t take up more than $10m in cap in 2024. So for $13m more in cap you upgrade Diggs to Evans and add a starter to your secondary. It’s unlikely but not unthinkable.
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Tannenbaum suggested a Diggs-Tyrique stevenson trade to Bears. I have to say if we could flip Diggs for a starter on a rookie deal then bring in Mike Evans in free agency I’d give that some serious thought.
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Will be interesting to see what happens with Von. There’s no way McBeane can pay him the $6m+ that becomes guaranteed on march 18th. First ballot hall of famers I assume don’t want the stigma of being cap casualties. Could see the $6m+ converted to not-likely-to-be-earned incentives considering he barely played any snaps last year which would save the Bills $6m against the cap and Von still gets the $6m if he plays more snaps than last year.
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If I’m bringing in a 30+ year old pass rusher, I’d prefer Kahlil Mack once he’s inevitably cut by Chargers.
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Takeaways from Beane's Combine pressers
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If Beane continues paying Von and Tre millions of dollars when he no longer has to and cuts Douglas, he deserves to be fired. Would Von or Tre get much more than a vet minimum deal right now if they got cut?