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All that would represent, Roundy, is the continued evolution of the process they are already running.

Here's the problem Roundy--you and other people with extreme points of view already support that. It's already happening.

Romney ultimately is a weak leader politically (though hugely successful in the business world) and allowed himself to be neutered on an international scale. Liberals and Dems supported that, and here’s the thing: it worked spectacularly well. Consider W Bush—accused of fabricating intelligence and sending you American soldiers to fight and die in a desert on the other side of the world—not to mention hundreds of thousands of people who lived there. Meanwhile, post election, he, Laura, Barrack and Michelle are fast friends. The Obama kids call him Gampy. It always amazes me when people are surprised that “shameful” behavior that works so well is modeled and in some cases, super-sized.

Yes, I understand that perspective. The modern liberal voter feigns outrage at claims of stolen elections while supporting claims of illegitimate elections. I was more speaking about Trumps penchant for making frequent changes in his admin, and the inevitable backlash from people who were dismissed, followed by media spin about it. My reality is simply that I’m not a chaos guy.

“Everyone”? No, I didn’t think the typical member of the Bidensta convergence wanted Trump, they fear the end of the world as we know it. I definitely think the typical R voter wants Biden to continue, it reflects a display of unity and the first step to healing old wounds.

I’m not really all that concerned about the figureheads, though I early on I was hoping Trump wouldn’t run. I like substantially more of his messaging than I do that of the democrat party, and recall the pre-COVID days when Trump appeared a shoo-in for re-election. Still, I don’t like chaos, and Trump’s style coupled with media manipulation that is more clear, more obvious, and more ignored by dem voters everyday, and my thought was he would be effective from the sidelines. Then…the liberal team turned hard into the authoritarian regime they were supposedly against, classified material was suddenly judged on a sliding scale, and novel cases were all the rage. That’s today’s modern democrat party. Maybe a replacement with a moderate democrat would change that, but I don’t think so. We’ll see I guess. Just remember the wisdom your old pal Leh-n shared—these guys will come and go just like Reagan, Clinton, Carter, Bush, LBJ and all the way back to Geo W. The behavior of the corporate press doesn’t change unless it’s rejected and citizens demand more. Oh geez, now cult like behavior involves partnering with 85 million democrats.

Suddenly, after 5 years of Biden slipping into the abyss and believing whatever he was spoonfed by DNC/major media, 4th is outraged! We lose when the providers of information provide inaccurate, manipulative information even when it aligns with one’s values.

This one has always been a hot button issue for me. Each time I think I’m being too hard on this issue because of his personal loss, something like this happens. @The Frankish Reich suggested at one time that the loss of his son broke him—and I certainly can see that happening. I’m sure he’s never far from his thoughts, but I feel that on some level, his son would be mortified at how his father trots out his name and the comparisons he makes.

One of the most disgraceful parts of his performance was lying about the death of troops on his watch, then leveraging his son’s death yet again. Not 4 weeks ago, he was honoring troops lost at Normandy—those who died young in the most horrific ways possible. We’ve lost troops in battle since, and the countless injured catastrophically since. I can understand a politician using a quote from a book that riles up their base, that’s business as usual though as my friend @muppy might say, it’s dirty. That he immediately went to his son, who lived a good life, died tragically as a result of a medical condition under hospice care as a middle aged man, is classic Biden. He could have talked about the soldiers who died in Afghanistan (but of course, that’s politically dangerous) on his watch, or virtually any other soldier lost/injured in combat over the last 100 years.

Good result if they were overcharged, as seems to be the case.

I think you're looking at the old menu. Is there a piece of dried egg in the lower right corner, and a picture of a waitress in tube top on roller skates in the upper right? Old menu. Her name was Cinamon. Nice lady, has sciatica and three grandkids now. Anyway--I'm with you--I'm not differentiating between über rich libs or conservatives, juts pointing out that those who preach it typically don't follow it, and that's likely to continue in the future regardless of what the rules say. That brings me full circle--Biden cannot be trusted anymore than Trump...if trust is the end game. On the 'poor billionaire', cool. That's your lane, of course, and I'm over here in mine with my blinker on for a mile and a half.

You're not advocating for 'fairness', though. You're advocating for seizing assets. And, even if I agreed with you, see Feinstein, Diane, and how she felt about fairness.

I'm not revisiting this thread because the Supreme freaking Court ultimately decided certain protestors on 1/6 were overcharged (charged incorrectly, overzealous prosecution or whatever you prefer to call it) in the Fischer case, or to point out how my rational and reasoned perspective looks pretty solid when all the dust settled, or because your perspective (and that of others here) seems to suggest you're a bit extreme.... Oh wait, that's exactly whey I revisited this thread. My humble suggestion--step back, look at what you posted, take a deep breath and move back to the center a bit on these issues. Prayers up.

This shows no one is above the law, except of course those who do not have to follow it depending on who is running the DOJ.

Yes! Now you know how Trump, the moderators and the rest of the world with television felt like watching Biden last night! You're welcome, and lay off the sauce--you're cranky today!

With regard to the über rich, I think the argument is often dialed down to the least common denominator. If an extremely wealthy taco heiress, let's call her Taquito Muppito, earns income directly, Taquito Muppito is taxed accordingly. If she has income related to the sales of investments, capital gains, dividends, offsets with losses, she is taxed accordingly. If she lies, she is supposed to be caught. if she calls it straight, she's not finding loopholes, she's following tax law. On one other note, try and get this story straight in the context of wealthy politicians going to bat for the little guy: https://www.therobinsonadvocacygroup.com/the-passing-of-senator-dianne-feinstein-estate-plan-lessons-for-blended-families A judge has ordered the dispute to be resolved in private mediation.[1] While this could keep the final resolution outside public view, the legal drama offers lessons illustrating the need for careful estate planning in blended families. Do you think, Mup, that Diane Feinstein called it straight and looked out for the little people along the way? When push came to shove, she had infinite wealth, took advantage of the planning option with some of the finest minds in the world, dodged tax wherever and however she could, and wanted all her vast wealth spoken for on her death. It's malarkey, Mup, and all the Joe Bidens, Hillary Clintons and Liz Warrens in the world aren't changing that. So, I stay in my lane, mostly.

Hi Mup, I didn't watch much, I find debates to be mostly a waste of time. In any presidential debate at any time you'll find facts mixed up, misremembered, lies and manipulation. Then, you have the debrief where others tell you what you should or should not think about what was or was not said. This debate, however, was special in the fact that it was the televised implosion the image of a presidential candidate on a foundational level, though the image was obviously false based on an sensible look at the man in question. We've had dialogue on this...you should vote your heart and it's not my place to suggest otherwise. Since you reached out, however, I'll share what I think about what you think, and hope no hard feelings ensue thereafter. Many people feel there is some existential threat (that's the phrase they use, sounds ominous) if either of these guys wins. I don't think that. It's an election, some will be happy with the results, others not. Some policies will hurt some people one way or the other. Trump implied we're doomed one way, Biden claimed it was the end of democracy the other. Whatever. If you mourn for Biden that Trump suggested he "encouraged" Russia to invade Ukraine, it's a wasted emotion. Biden blamed Trump for the same thing. What I can tell you is that countries in that neck of the woods tend to fare poorly when Democrats are in office. Crimea. Ukraine. And lots of money passing through a few hands thereafter. Very few candidates, if any, answer questions. I expect very little in that regard. If Trump's tax policies bother you, vote for Biden. He's as completely full of **** as anyone else. Between inflation, taxation and government spending, a dollar doesn't stretch very far on his watch and he's in the pocket of billionaires and multi-millionaires just like everyone else, though some of his are apparently from China. On election results, this question and subsequent argument is overly simplistic. If you think that the dems "accepted" the results of 2016 because of HRCs "concession", we disagree. We only disagree because the democrats launched a systemic and sustained misinformation campaign claiming the election was illegitimate, which where I come from means "not legitimate". Consider, btw, this letter from Elizabeth Warren, Amy Klobuchar and others suggesting the lead up to 2020 was not paved with guarantees of the freest, fairest, and what has come to be known as THE ELECTION NOT TO BE CONTESTED: https://www.warren.senate.gov/oversight/letters/warren-klobuchar-wyden-and-pocan-investigate-vulnerabilities-and-shortcomings-of-election-technology-industry-with-ties-to-private-equity Election security experts have noted for years that our nation's election systems and infrastructure are under serious threat, but voting machines reportedly continue to fail and breakdown across the country, as vendors fail to innovate, improve, and protect voting systems, putting U.S. elections at avoidable and increased risk. Bottom line--2020 was going to be contested as unfair or illegitimate or stolen any way you slice it.

There are bars near the cave? That’s unusual.

@Tiberius has heard rumors that JB simply didn’t “deliver”, like when the pizza guy just shows up a house or two over. Not sure where he heard this as it seems he lives in a cave near Tallahassee without internet, tv, newspapers, or people wandering by talking about what actually happened last night.

Don’t sell @Doc short—he’s got a usefulness about him!

Did you consider flipping the image upside down? That’s the new thing, as we saw last night with a reports of a vigorous and dialed in JB ready to reveal strength and character…and hearing tall tales about inflation, the loss of soldiers, and him taking Medicare out behind the school for a beating. Down is up, up is down?

You’re correct here, of course. We can revisit his history, but that’s been done ad nauseum. While his decline was open and obvious for all the world to see last night (and well before that for sensible people) , let’s not forget that as he failed, he knew he was failing. He would have known his memory was untrustworthy, that his mind was playing tricks on him with people and dates, he was declining physically, and that he was not up to the task of the most difficult job in the world. That’s world class hubris on the scale of Icarus.

Based on the last two elections, it’s highly likely the losing party criticizes the results across the board.

Roundy…you’re off the rails. The people that shop at Tractor Supply often represent the best we have to offer in this country. Hard-working, loyal, active in their communities, and tough enough to make it through difficult times. Mocking their faith makes you look small, tbh. I have no issues with your ideology that basically involves stacking people in an urban environment, but history seems to indicate that many times, chaos and disorder quickly ensue when the lights shut off for 20 minutes. Live and let live.

Absolute failure on every level. It's strange, too, because when a citizen travels to a foreign land, the exit/return is pretty well set in stone. Stay in your assigned seat on your plane. Stand down until directed. You can't deplane until cleared through customs, you can't get out and stretch your legs, catch a breath or fresh air, or run over to the air conditioned bathroom as an alternative to the stuffy closet restroom on the plane. Once off the plane, of course, you're herded to a waiting area, directed to stand in lines small and large, step to the uniformed/armed customs official, and directed to present your papers. We have very detailed processes for the compliant.