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Trump 2024?
leh-nerd skin-erd replied to Trump_is_Mentally_fit's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
Ah, another Gumby argument to fit a narrative. I figured that might be the case--not because I think you're an intentionally dishonest poster like some others here--but because a declaration of the magnitude you made surely would garner a ton of press, and represent an easy find on the internet. What I can tell you with certainty is that while you're bending into a pretzel to reimagine comments in obviously unintended way, the people you support oversaw the security and safety of their political rival, that so failed so badly that a simpleton nearly assassinated him. From wandering around the grounds with a rifle, to ignoring concerns from citizens, to climbing on the roof of the building of one of the command centers--it's quite reasonable to question how much was incompetence and how much intentional from Team Harris. But carry on, Andrew. -
Trump 2024?
leh-nerd skin-erd replied to Trump_is_Mentally_fit's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
I wasn’t talking about putting words in your mouth, that was you, silly. I’ll repeat. Andy1 made a statement. I asked for additional information after a google search didn’t return links consistent with what he claimed. You linked opinion pieces, which is wholly different than providing a link proving what Andy1 said to be true. You can do that in your next post. Now, you’re making declarations of your own. I listened to the Trump/Rogan convo and didn’t catch any part about murdering Americans. I’m halfway through the Vance interview, will likely finish up tonight and no comments about murdering anyone there yet, either. If you can muster the energy to send the link detailing what Andy1 said, that would be appreciated. In the meantime, you’re offering up garbage and garbage ain’t cool these days. Don’t you dare underestimate me. You must have the link, surely. Why are you holding back? -
Trump 2024?
leh-nerd skin-erd replied to Trump_is_Mentally_fit's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
Andy made a pretty clear statement on what he believes to be true. I googled what he said and can’t find a link for Trump calling for “murders of Americans”. If you had a link calling for murders, I’d think you would provide it. Providing links on narratives and opinions of what people are telling you to think is akin to thinking Harris was unpopular until someone told you she was the One True Choice. You’re getting paranoid and taking up bandwidth, BillStarr. Provide the link or stop wasting time. -
Trump 2024?
leh-nerd skin-erd replied to Trump_is_Mentally_fit's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
I’m not certain what you’ve heard about calls for “murders”. I googled what you wrote, and see a series of articles stating that Trump has called for the death penalty for people here illegally and who are guilty of murdering American citizens. If you’re seeing something else about “murder of Americans”, what is it? -
Welcome back, Kay. It's always nice to be involved in a conversation, even if only by asteriskical addendum. I had forgotten about the discussion on perfumes and complicity on hot button issues, that was quite some time ago. I am pleased to see my comments landed, and that after all this time what I shared resonates enough to warrant a mention. I think many people find they gain wisdom with experience, and the ability to revisit that which they once knew to be true. I can appreciate your steadfast denial of hypocrisy, what I've offered is in contrast with that which you may well value most--your integrity. Still, the challenge and conflict between what you say and what you do is yours to carry, not mine. I can only point out the obvious and hope that with the fullness of time, we both can grow. Sounds like we're both on a journey here. On a positive note, I've gained wisdom as well. Before today, I was unaware of the "I got a gift!" exemption to the liberal list of "Issues Important to Our Collective Survival". I suppose when the seas rise to uncomfortable levels on the coast, those impacted can take solace in the fact that somewhere, there's a well-intentioned revolutionary who smells kinda nice, or drives a full-sized honkin' SUV she gifted herself for her 40th birthday. Now, on this costume. I mean, sure, "...not 100% cruelty-free..." sounds an awful lot like 100% cruelty to whatever animals they test on, but let's move past that. Halloween is a pretty darn important day in the grand scheme of things, so if you're going to bend some rules and a couple lab rats have to be blinded, this is the time to do it. I loved the story of Medusa as a child, and it sounds like you've put a lot of thought into it. I wonder though, if the story was written today...would Ovid apply a different spin? I'm thinking in 2024, the peril associated with Medusa was less about hair and snakes, more about sustained yammering about her hair and the products used to tame it? Perhaps this time, the poet offers the valiant warriors the option of turning to stone not as a tragic fate, but as a reward for their bravery? Admittedly this occurs to me because I woke up one night not long ago and my wife had the Housewives of Yammerville on the telly and they were round-tabling agitatedly over some slight or the other. Hope the party goes well! How presumptuous!
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Oh, that's absolutely horrible news. I enjoyed chatting with him, and while we didn't agree on much, he seemed like a good and genuine guy. I lost a good friend earlier this year from the same cause, and it was devastating to his family and friends. Thanks for the heads up, @Wacka, and I have to say the note shared by SDS was absolutely top notch.
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First, to clarify, I believe JB believes what he said--certain Americans are "garbage" because they don't agree with him. I think that's indicative of the hard left view of citizens in general, and of course all that pre-dates the comment by the comedian by a decade plus. It's consistent with the Clinton appeal to the darker instincts of the far left--borne of arrogance, hubris and a vast overestimation of one's own self-worth. In that regard, you're no different than the far right, you just throw stones at different targets. Second, one person was 'slinging the insult'. Attack the guy who did, attack the RNC or Trump for allowing it to happen on their watch, but like most things in life--some things aren't complicated. Some will find the humor offensive. Some will find it funny. Some will find it stupid. Most won't think of it again after hearing about it--including the whole bunch of outraged liberals who will not seize the opportunity to dig into their pocket and send a donation to help the needy in PR. JB of course misses the subtle aspects of life, maybe because he's a politician, maybe because he's dumb as stump, maybe because he knows he can rile people like you up. Third, I thought having the guy appear and deliver that monologue was pretty dumb. Not because edgy comedy doesn't have its place (and it does, even with you softies who pretend it doesn't), but because it's unnecessary and that wasn't the place. Finally, my only real suggestion here is don't be so obviously full of sh*t in a forum like this. You like your brand of insults, you like your brand of denigrating others, you like your brand of politics and it's not about unity or decency.
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This thread has been an interesting read, and the responses have been entirely predictable. There are ugly people in the world, some are here. The people outraged by a candidate lying and telling half-truths were very pleased to vote for a candidate lying and telling half-truths for nearly 50 years. The people outraged by a candidate allegedly assaulting women were very pleased to vote for a candidate who acknowledged and admitting assaulting women. The people outraged by a president maintaining classified material were very pleased to support a candidate who took, maintained and shared classified documents as a senator...VP..and private citizen. The people outraged by a phony allegation of a candidate partnering with Russia walked in lockstep to support a president with business ties to China. The people outraged by phony allegations of foreign election interference were thrilled to line up and vote for a candidate who benefited greatly from documented domestic election interference. The people outraged by a candidate who they suggest has cognitive/psychological issues were dumbfounded to find their candidate was unable to string a cohesive sentence together during an internationally televised debate. And so on. The only question I have here is whether or not Biden's comments came about as a result of his continuing cataclysmic decline, or simply the loss of yet another filter as happens to the elderly. His comments are entirely consistent with democrat strategy, and certainly in line with past comments that saw him booted from the race for the president.
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Here we go: Yes, Kamala does the same thing. Of course she does. As for Trump breaking the standard politician mode, I'm not always comfortable with the way he does things. He seems most at home in times of chaos, and I'm not a chaos guy. At the same time, much of the chaos stems from breathless reporting about things that seem to be very mainstream, and I find that manufactured. Example: Comedian makes stupid jokes about Puerto Rico a couple nights ago. Media analysis: "Racist, crude, hurtful, egregious". Example: Harris/Biden/Clinton call ordinary Americans "racists, white supremacists, nazis" for nearly a decade. Media analysis: ordinary citizens at rally--white, black, brown, gay, christian, jew, straight etc are "racists...crude...nazis...".
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And that’s the thing Frank—I don’t ever feel like I hear grand policy design in any of these formats, but especially during debates. 🤷♂️
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I listened to the interview over the past couple days. I'm not a huge fan of listening to canned answers at debates, and the problem in media circles is the tendency toward sound bite management to sway the way people think. I wasn't planning on listening but was doing some work around the house and I can only listen to so much 70s/80s classic rock. This format works very well for Trump, and I thought Rogan did a good job asking questions, allowing Trump to answer, and trying to keep him on track. I got the feeling he was trying to avoid any appearance of endorsing Trump, or disavowing Harris. Rogan was quite clear on his feelings about the government being weaponized against Trump, the media supporting that generally, and rhetoric that lead to the two assassination attempts. I'd think if reasonable people listened to the podcast, they take away an opinion quite different than that portrayed 24/7/365 by the mainstream press.
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I'm center on many issues, and really have never moved off that whether Tump was in office or anyone else. I have never believed that being center left or center right means you abdicate common sense or reasoned analysis. You and I disagree on the state of the country, though I certainly prefer we go in one direction v the other. Still, if Harris wins, onward. Ultimately, I'm an optimist. We'll figure it out. And don't even try that name thing on me, Mr. Michael Hunt!
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It's weird the things people think might keep others awake at night. It's not Jeff Bezos, and it's certainly not some preachy newspaper editor who wouldn't give a **** about me one way or the other, except maybe to consider me deplorable or irredeemable because I don't think like they do. I worry about a commercial enterprise like the Washington Post at about the same level I worry about what;s shaking out at the local Taco Bell. Though, yes, I think a move back towards the center and away from your preferred version of political activism is a good thing.
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So the editorial board has never made a decision based on the best interests of the newspaper or themselves? Their collective personal bias never factored into the decisions? Your perspective is not disingenuous, it’s absurd. Btw, on the resignation of a couple board members…a couple of old timers resigned in disgust—disgust I tell you—but will continue working at the WaPo because while standards are important, so is the cash. This idea of newspaper endorsements is kind of silly to begin with. Bezos has recognized frustration with the for-profit politicking at places like the Post, realized it’s offputting for people who don’t need some dopey pipe smoking bureau chief (sponsored by AT&T) telling you what he thinks you can’t figure out yourself.