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Hmm, never been to a Bills game eh? https://apnews.com/article/e902ababa25842b2a191b8c2eddb6704

Okay,let me see if i can understand your argument. 1) You start by saying you are not worried about debt created by the infrastructure bill 2) you then post an article that says the debt will hold back the economy for years ...supporting the opposite of your premise..you do understand that no? 3) you then state that i am talking about deficit spending, and you are talking about debt spending. Again, please explain the difference to me...without using the word Trump or Obama or Bush...or political party etc...just explain the difference to me. And, in the process defend your position why debt levels do not matter. As a fiscal conservative, i believe strongly that the massive expansion of debt the last 12 years is a massive issue, i don't care who the president or house/senate was at the time. I didn't like it under Bush, Obama, and Trump. I don't like it under Biden And, if you cannot see the difference between a near unanimous passage of a massive $4T relief bill passed during a once in a century pandemic and a $6T "infrastructure" bill shoved through with a budget reconciliation measure and without a single republican vote ...then there is really no need to continue this discussion. i will not post in this thread again unless you can defend your position on national debt and why it does not matter and define the difference between debt spending and deficit spending .... as i refuse to get into a battle of the wits with an unarmed man.

nice way to deflect...again, please explain what debt spending is ve deficit spending and why it does not matter.

so in other words...you cant explain what debt spending is? And yes, looking at deficit spending increases and failing to consdie that almost $4T was added in Covid relief bills is not intellectually honest.. And why do you not care what spending is? Should we take it a step farther and just say that if spending and deficits do not matter, why then should revenues matter? Should we not all just stop paying taxes? And please, just one response that defends your position on why debt does not matter without using the word Trump

Okay genius,explain to me what debt spending is? Again, make an argument that does not use the word Trump or Republican.

damn, so frustrating trying to have a logical discussion on here. Again, i dont care what was projected, i care what happened. Deficit spending increased by almost $3.5T before the effects of all the Covid spending bills are added in under Trump. A number that i think is ridiculous and harmful in the long run as a financial conservative, but that is the number. Joe wants to add another $6T in his "infrastructure" bill...(I am not even including the $1.7t they rammed through under reconciliation) just about doubling all of Trumps deficit spending. Your initial argument is " no big deal"...I asked you to explain why you think massive deficits do not matter...I don't care who the President is...why do YOU think deficits don't matter? Use whatever theory you want, any numbers..i am open to listen...I would just like to hear you explain your position with out using the word Trump or Republican.

My argument was not if the deficit number was good or bad, my argument was with your numbers. No Covid, and the number is no where the $8T you stated. Context matters. What Obama era numbers were/ what he spent has zero to do with this argument. Joe wants to add in one year double what Trump's deficit numbers would have been in almost 4. As mentioned, one can agree with MMT and say deficits matter not...some are not buying that argument. Would love to get your why deficits do not matter

please at least try to be factually correct, and with context. The debt would have grown appx $4.1 Trillion if Covid did not hit. Trump deficit spending was responsible for $3.5T of that increase. A nearly unanimously passed bipartisan Covid relief bill(s) added in $3.7T in 2020. That aint on Trump or the republicans, it is on all politicians that voted for it. I agree that the $3.5 T is ridiculous in and of itself, but MMT advocates say no worries! Lets now add in the fact ole Uncle Joe wants to pass $6t to that...wowser! But your arguments become specious at best if you do not at least use correct numbers. https://www.thebalance.com/us-deficit-by-year-3306306

Most likely cause you know you are unattractive to either sex! ( I kid, i kid😂)

Well, walkin Maybe I missed something. But Joe but us back in WHO correct? And WHO is recommending kids do not get vaxed right? so who’s on first?

could be...and we have no clue...i hope he gets it, but guess we will know first practice of TC one way or tother!

what if Josh gives it to Cole? Or starts an outbreak with the whole lot of other Bills players that are not vaxed? my point being are we pissed Cole is not getting the vaccine? Or we pissed he publicly saying he will not get it. cause by all appearances, Sure looks like Josh ain’t taking a shot either.

there is no need , and I mean NO need . for this disgusting and unwanted post. To imply that that someone has suffered from what appears to be a very real concern for NFL players strictly because he disagrees with your take is offensive and belittling to the player...i hope this post gets deleted

so..if i may parapharse...never been approved for human use before?

if we want to discuss why Cole may have objections to the vaccine, these discussion points are relevant. if the point of the thread is strictly " Cole Beasley is an Idiot" and we accept that as fact, you are correct, his reasons for vaccine hesitancy are irrelevant. So i will gladly leave the discussion if the answer is " Cole Beasley is an Idiot"

please do expound?

hmm, a surgery that is proven to work..vs a an mRNA vaccine that has never been used in any situation...yep...good comparison. I mean WTH, thalidomide was a good choice too! https://helix.northwestern.edu/article/thalidomide-tragedy-lessons-drug-safety-and-regulation "Now, drug approval can take between eight and twelve years, involving animal testing and tightly regulated human clinical trials"

wow...we really want to win football games so much we desire the state becomes the defacto harbinger od truth of any dissent is discouraged? As I said, i am huge pro vaxer, i believe 100% in its efficacy..its why i dont give a poop if dude next to me is not vaxed.

so do tell...what is the difference? I am a pro vaxer, always have been . Seems to me reasonable people can have differing opinions on things the FDA does, and van have differing opinions on what the settled " science" infers. See the lab leak theory , and the Alzheimer drug controversy. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/17/fda-aducanumab-alzheimers-drug-approval-erodes-confidence/ But damn, bury Cole , and put away any questions of the efficacy and honesty of our FDA... \

again, it goes back to team and wins and losses for you...to him it , apparently, it is a matter of much more import. but damn Cole, win me some games!

or, just maybe, he believes in what he has stated. I know, crazy, but sometimes people have the courage of their convictions.

so you did not say he should be cut?

because if you vaxed, you have no reason, at all, to be worried about getting sick or dying from Covid. He is not disrespecting anyone.

if Josh was vaxed, he aint wearing a mask last night...end of story

hmm...wonder who said this? am i still losing?