Matt in KC

I think you should take twice as much next time to strengthen the trip. When you take enough, you can see that you always go back to where you started.

I agree, but also add severe penalties for holding out in the future... then add the period.

I second this. That said, great thread name, Beerball!

http://uk.reuters.com/article/mediaNews/id...339172520080623 Rest in peace, George. This was announced last week: Bleep! Bleep! George Carlin To Receive Mark Twain Humor Prize

Pat Williams Winfield Travis Henry the player. I don't care much for Travis Henry the person.

If Barry Sanders had played for the Lions when they didn't have solid run blocking and a solid QB, we might not have ever heard of him... Seriously, some of the greats performed even without average support around them because of, you know, timing. Yes, life is a bit of a crapshoot. You make a good point that you need to consider the environment when judging an individual, especially in a team sport. But why conclude you therefore can't judge anything and don't care? If you're just saying you don't care (about JP) anymore, may be Trent's time is here, then I completely understand, and agree.

Henry certainly reached a higher peak as a Bill than McGahee did (2003: 1438 yds, 4.4 avg). I guess I made a pretty weak point. I'm happy to see Henry get the recognition over the egotistical McGahee. So, who's the joker?

No love for Derek Schouman, huh? I think he could well be one of our top two most productive TEs by the end of the year.

Travis Henry made it into the deck, but McGahee didn't. I love it! I'm not sure Henry is really deserving to be included, but since it drives home the dis' to McGahee, I'm all for it.

I think the question is about current players, not say OJ, Thurman, Bruce (etc.) in their primes. You can find/post those the the semi-annual "who's the best Bill ever?" thread.

Good question! I'm talking from a talent perspective, comparing the players to who we have on the team now (ignoring salary/value). I'd like to have any of the following back: Pat Williams Antoine Winfield - I saw several Vikings games last year and thought he looked great. Travis Henry - again, looking at talent; I realise he would have a problem splitting time with Lynch and is at risk for a one year suspension. Nate Clements - purely from a talent perspective. No way is he worth near his salary. (btw, I saw 5-6 49ers games and he looked a lot worse than Winfield to me.) Ross Tucker for O-line depth Mike Shneck for long-snapping duties (unless there was an unreported personality/behavior issue that got him cut) Sammy Morris - I think he could still compete, though I suspect he wouldn't make the final roster given the potential of the young guys on the team at RB. Rusty Jones - I had to throw him in here Darwin Walker - This one is cheap, but qualifies if I look only at talent. I think attitude and history means we should pass however

http://www.buffalobills.com/team/Transactions.html

Hey thanks for posting, Bill. I'm glad to hear your take. It certainly makes the negatives they list for him seem less worrisome. I'd love to have a few more defenders that can rotate in, make a big play and fire up the defense.

I respect your opinion that the McKelvin pick wasn't the best availale, and even your desire to defend your opinion. Could you (and the others responding to you) at least do it over in the McKelvin thread, or start your own? Re: the Ellis pick (legal and taking downs off), and Hardy (legal probs), does it look like the Bills' stance on character players is shifting? I always took the character comments to be more about football character (passion, focus and drive). But, for Ellis, it looks like this is nearly the definition of his negatives. All that said, I like the pick. Talent at a position of need (Hargrove departure) and a young player in the development pipeline for the day one of our vets departs.

I completely agree. Not a bad way to start the draft, huh? I might have to watch a few more Chiefs games this year....

Congat's on finding and embracing a passion. Am I a geek for thinking you should have used Excel?

as many times as you like, assuming of course someone wants to trade with you. Supplemental picks cannot be traded (even once).

W - Sept. 7 Seattle Seahawks 1 p.m. W - Sept. 14 at Jacksonville Jaguars 1 p.m. L - Sept. 21 Oakland Raiders 1 p.m. W - Sept. 28 at St. Louis Rams 4:05 p.m. L - Oct. 5 at Arizona Cardinals 4:15 p.m. Oct. 12 Bye L - Oct. 19 San Diego Chargers 1 p.m. W - Oct. 26 at Miami Dolphins 1 p.m. L - Nov. 2 New York Jets 1 p.m. W - Nov. 9 at New England Patriots* 1 p.m. L - Nov. 17 (Mon.) Cleveland Browns 8:30 p.m. W - Nov. 23 at Kansas City Chiefs 1 p.m. W - Nov. 30 San Francisco 49ers 1 p.m. L - Dec. 7 Miami Dolphins (at Toronto) 4:05 p.m. W - Dec. 14 at New York Jets 1 p.m. W - Dec. 21 at Denver Broncos 4:05 p.m. L - Dec. 28 New England Patriots* 1 p.m. 9-7 <-- That's my bold prediction

Here are my guesses. None are really of the Greer / Wilson mode... Felton Huggins - okay, I'm just kidding. McCargo - he shows he's a legit NFL starter this year, I think Mcgee - he's a playmaker who did better than expectations last year. I think he continues to improve his zone coverage and adds a few INTs / TDs Ryan Denney - reminds the fans he was an important part of the defense before gettng hurt last year

He also said he's close friends with Sam Wyche and they talk often. I of course started responding as though he said Dick Lebeau, and he quickly pointed out Sam worked with the offense and changed the subject... oops.

You know, he specifically mentioned the Rockpile and said he remembered playing in the snow there, and that there was no heat in the locker room (wasn't sure if he was being literal). He mentioned OJ, Kemp and Joe DeLamielleure as Bills he remembered (and a receiver Im lanking on). It would be nice having a pro bowl center who would anchor the team for 11 years, wouldn't it? He said he only got hurt once, when after snapping for a punt someone clipped him.

I met a nice guy and talked with him on a two hour flight tonight. After talking about business for quite a while, our conversaion shifted to football. After a bit, he said he played professional football. I asked if he was a receiver, but he said no, he was a Center back when he played. After talking awhile he mentioned the Bengals, then later mentioned going to the pro bowl, and later still being drafted in the first round. Eventually he told me he was the first Bengal ever drafted (in 1968) and was pressed into duty as a player representative because they knew he'd make the team. Anyway, he was a cool guy, and I connected with him as a person first, and secondarily as a football player, one I admittedly had never heard of before meeting him (and researching him a bit now that I'm back on line). Apparently Bob is the only Bengal to ever have his number retired (#54). Anyway, our conversation was pretty mundane, but it was very cool to talk to an old NFL player. I still can't beleive I thought he was a receiver! I guess he did retire almost 30 years ago (1979) and the guys weren't nearly as big back then. So, I know this is a bit of a LAMP. I just thought I'd come share my experience....

Also, updated daily at Slate.com: The Hillary Deathwatch. They currently give Hillary a 9% chance, which I think is a tad generous (I'd say somewhere 3-6%).

And, from the Huffington Post, adding more fuel (but no fire): Maura Harty: State Department Official In Charge During Two Of The Breaches An Ambassador Under Clinton

Get 'er done ! (the conviction that is!)