dave mcbride
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Seriously folks. I don't know how many "Holcombites" there are on this board that are going to flame this, but it's the truth.
If J.P. Losman can't beat out Kelly Holcomb and he's so bad that Mularkey doesn't want to start him in a meaningless game, then we need to get another QB. Kelly Holcomb is a solid backup. He had MONSTER games in Cleveland as well. But he's just far too inconsistent to be a full-time starter.
Now in what fashion should we get another QB remains the question. Should we keep Holcomb and J.P. and bring in someone like Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsay, or Kyle Boller (EDIT: He might be kept after his solid outings the past couple games) to battle hoping that one of them just needs a change of scenery?
Should we lose the Jets game and move up a couple spots to grab Matt Leinart or Vince Young as the new savior? Or maybe even work a trade with San Diego to get Philip Rivers in here?
All in all, if we go into 2006 with Kelly Holcomb as the starting QB; we're not going to the playoffs. If we do, we're not going far. He's not the future of this team and I question whether or not he can be the present. It's obvious we have to rebuild this team from the ground up. Holcomb is not someone to build a new team around. If J.P.'s not the answer, we need to find someone who is.
just playing devil's advocate - should the raiders have said the same thing about rich gannon after his first season with the team? he didn't hit his stride until his 13th season:
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Discussing the latest ESPN promo about the Bills, some people started bringing up all the crushing defeats and humiliations the Bills have suffered. All the usual suspects were mentioned: Wide right...Thurman's lost helmet...Homerun forward lateral...even Ronnie Harmon's alligator arms against Cleveland in 1989.
It occured to me that there is one infamous play that no one on this board or any other Bills board ever talks about...
Jan. 2 1999: AFC divisional playoffs - Bills lose 24-17 to the Dolphins. A chance to tie with 9 seconds left is lost when the QB is sacked and fumbled the ball on the Miami 1 yd line.
http://www.jsonline.com/packer/sbxxxiii/rev/afc10298.asp
I have to wonder if maybe because the QB on that play was Doug Flutie, that people have swept that memory under the rug?
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yeah, it couldn't have been whatever scrub was playing right offensive tackle's fault ...
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I agree that Moulds should be retained, pretty much whether he re-negotiates or not. The reason is that they won't be able to replace what he does because there is nothing in FA and the team doesn't need the cap space.
As for Moulds being open. No. I sit at the 50 and follow Moulds closely and simply put, Moulds does not have #1 talent anymore. He can't eat up a CB's cushion the way he once could, which pretty much makes him ineffective working the sidelines because he's an easy man cover. A deep out pattern to Moulds is a pic 6 waiting to happen.
Where he is still very good is working the middle of the field. Get him in there with the MLB and the safeties, and he looks like a different athlete. Mularkey has been a meathead for much of the year, but he deserves credit for recognizing where Moulds should be. No more of Moulds running reverses and getting nailed for no gain by some unknown OLB. No more jumpballs down the sidelines to a blanketed Moulds. The transition has been made, and it's the first time since Larry Centers and Jay Riemersma were released that the Bills have had a quality, middle of the field target.
great post, badol. is he good enough of a blocker to play TE? I mean, is he any worse than shannon sharpe or jeremy shockey?
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This pretty much reflects a post that Back In Da Day started a couple of days ago and he hit it right on the head. The problem here is that the organization (MM and TD) did not create an environment where Losman would be the unequivocable starter, unlike M. Lewis has done as some have pointed out.
Instead we have a situation where he's given the job without a fight before the season, gets pulled after game 4, gets it back (by way of injury), loses it again (by way of 'injury'???), and now it seems like he will be competing for the job next year.
MM/TD needed to commit one way or another, either stick with him come hell or highwater, or have him compete for it from the start untill he legitimately earns it. Instead, the situation has gotten to where the locker room is picking favorites, RJ/DF redux minus the nastiness.
again, just playing devil's advocate -- what if the guy ain't that good? and what if it's pretty apparent to everybody?
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to repeat: based upon college career, draft position, play this year, etc., losman has pretty definitively proven -- so far -- that he's no carson palmer. so please don't compare the two ...
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Add him to along list of high Bills picks that lacked heart and talent...
Earthquake Enyart
Al Cowlings
Walt Patalski
Rueben Gant
Tom Ruud
Bob Nelson
Glenn Lott
Phil Dokes
Terry Miller
Dee Hardison
Booker Moore
Chris Williams
Byron Franklin
Perry Tuttle
Matt Kofler
Tony Hunter
Eric Richardson
Mark Traynowicz
Ronnie Harmon
Roland Mitchell
James Williams
Bucky Brooks
Lonnie Johnson
Todd Collins
Eric Flowers
Tavares Tillman
All 1st and 2nd round picks of the Bills I painfully watched. All basically were huge failures with the Bills...some did absolutely nothing and were cut after a year or two. I didn't even include the last 5 years.
Williams probably outplayed everyone on this list.
Draft = a crapshoot. Lesson learned.
You want to be confident ? Throw the $$ at proven Free Agents in March.
booker moore? the guy had a horrible illness that totally debilitated him. you can't possibly include him on this list. same goes for bucky brooks, who tore up his knee badly.
as for tillman, he was a fifth round talent who has managed to hang around in the league for 6 years. that counts for something.
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The chargers line isn't that good. It's a decent line, LT is a great back. However he like a lot of finesse backs himself, alexander, priest holmes, marshall faulk etc etc have a tendancy to run soft. He's not gonna plow over people but like those backs I mentioned he's shifty he'll make a move and he's gone. I dont know if I'd want him on 3rd and 2 in a must make situation.
With that said about this thread theres a lot of fans of every team that rip on their teams runningback. Go check out chiefsplanet theres countless threads ripping on larry johnson cause he doesnt pick up the blitz. Mcgahee was fine earlier in the year when the line was healthy and included mike williams. Nothing personal against jason peters but I sorely doubt it's just coinicdence willis's #'s plummeted when big mike was removed form the lineup. A lot of it also falls on villarrial coming to the end of his career. Trey Teague being too weak to generate a push and bennie anderson being a fat slob and unable to pull limiting the run game to just dives up the middle where generally you wont get a good ypc average. Once this oline is improved willis's #'s will increase I have no doubt about that.
good post.
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Well said--though I think Bush will be a bust. He's not an every down back in the NFL. My gut tells me bust along the lines of Ki-Jana Carter.
I hope we get a lower draft pick. I'd rather have a mid-rounder and get a quality corner or lineman, rather than a top 5 skill player and build from scratch again.
ki-jana carter would not have been a bust if he hadn't badly torn up his knee in preseason his first year. don't forget that ...
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Great job with this article and thanks! However, the unanswered question which deserves some consideration in this article is:
If credit should be given to the old staff for the quality of the 2001 draft which was TD's first, what the heck happened and what is the judgment about the quality of the 2000 draft (Butler's last one).
Of the 8 players selected, only 2 (Sammy Morris and Dashon Polk) proved to be a legitimate contributor to the Bills. Perhaps one wants to make a case that 2 players (Drew Haddad) can even reasonably be said to have become contributing NFL players (and this is a stretch- someone may want to make a case that Traveres Tillman contributed elsewhere though the Bills decision to pick him offered him little more than training as he contributed little to the team.
Any bad mouthing folks legitimately want to do about TDs choice of Mike Williams simply cannot stand as evidence that the old guard was better at never picking a first round bust given the production of Erik Flowers who did not even have the 1-1/2 productive years of play that MW gave the Bills.
The credit given Adams for 2001 simply raises the big question about what the heck happened in 2000?
it's pretty simple, actually. hang around the league long enough, and you'll have a bad draft every now and then. they don't call it a crap shoot for nothing. every bigtime drafter over the years -- ernie accorsi, bobby beatherd, bill polian, jimmy johnson, etc. etc. -- has had at least one bad draft.
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smith was #1 overall - no argument there.
kelly was 14th overall, same pick as the bills had in the 04 draft.
thomas was 37th overall
bennett was not drafted by the bills - they traded for him.
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In 2003 the 4-7 Bills won consecutive home games against the NYG & the NYJ, boosting their record to 6-7 in a futile effort to save a coaching staff before losing their final 3 games to finish 6-10. If the Bills had just lost 1 of those 2 NY games they would have finished 5-11. The 1 game cost the Bills at least 2 positions in the draft. That year, the difference was that had the Bills lost just one more game, they would have drafted Ben Roethlisberger and we wouldn't have the QB controversy that will exist into next season, and we might be a team on the rise, close to Super Bowl contention.
So as we celebrate the win against the Bengals, lets just hope we don't rue the day we beat the Bengals (and probably the Jets this Sunday) years from now. Because that one extra win in 2003 altered this team's history for a few years at best.
and ... the bills were able to draft lee evans, who strikes me as a better receiver than most of the guys drafted before him.
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granted, boller has played well the last 2 games (although he looks like he's about to launch a shotput every times he passes the ball). however, both games were at home and one of those games was against probably one of the two least talented teams in the league, green bay. the other was against minnesota, who is, shall we say, prone to give up lots of yards. for most of this year and his career, he's looked terrible. that said, maybe the light is going on.
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i'm certainly not saying he's the second coming, but jeez, let's give holcomb some props:
attempts - 193
completions - 132
completion pct. - 68.4
yds - 1325
ypa - 6.87
tds - 8
ints - 4
passer rating - 92.9
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I'm so sick of this Favre love. Brett Favre stinks. He is one of the worst QBs in the game right now. 4 INTs today, and it's the rest of the team and not him? If he's able to convert from 1st and goal from the 5, or if he doesn't throw a horrible pass that a junior high kid could return for a TD, maybe they win. And his ego is hurting this team when what he really should do is wave his little hat to the crowd and go sign some autographs so that their backup can learn something.
His team stinks, but he may be the worst player on the team.
jeez. the idiots rule the roost.
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are you a flat out idjit or what???
1 23 Antoine Winfield CB Ohio St.
2 53 Peerless Price WR Tennessee
3 86 Shawn Bryson RB Tennessee
4 119 Keith Newman ILB North Carolina
4 122 Bobby Collins TE North Alabama
5 156 Jay Foreman OLB Nebraska
6 194 Armon Hatcher S Oregon St.
7 230 Sheldon Jackson TE Nebraska
7 248 Bryce Fisher DE Air Force
1 - pro bowl caliber player
2 - 4 good to great seasons for the bills; netted them a 1st rd pick; sure to be back in the league next year
3 - still in the league after 6 years and can still break a long run
4 - still starting for the vikes and had 2 excellent seasons for the bills
4- scrub
5 - starting LB in the nfl for 3 seasons
6 - scrub
7 - scrub
7 - [sure sign that you're an IDJIT!]: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/133284
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Again, if you had read the earlier post I wouldn't have to write it again. I am saying that in the later part of his picks he was not as good as he had been and that bringing him back would not be a good idea. If we are going to replace the current regime then let's move forward not backwards.
then how do you explain the 99 draft, which was one of the most productive bills drafts in years?
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5 out of 5 first day players are still in the league. don't think that's an easy feat. as for second day players making it, give me a break. go through all of the other teams and tell me how a) how many of their second day guys are still hanging around and b) [and more importantly] whether they are actually any good. 7th round special teams wingmen don't count, by the way. as for the guys who we did draft on day one that year, 2 have played in the pro bowl, and another should be (schoebel). and another got a monster, franchise-level contract from another team who saw him as a franchise left tackle. he's hurt this year, of course, but pretty much every player loses a year at some point due to injury.
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How do you know those are the players he wanted and he didn't actually draft the players he did want. Were you in the draft room looking at the board and listening to the conversations. That is a HUGE assumption on your part.
I still am waiting to see how you are saying that 2001 was such a good draft. Look at the stats and where the players are now and tell me how that was a great draft. 1 player out of 6 in the second day is still in the LEAGUE, ONE!!!!!
um, because people in the bills organization basically said as much after the draft and after the end of the 2000 season? i don't have nexus to prove it, but that's what happened. look, you can B word and moan all you want, but you can't possibly be serious in basing a 14 year drafting career on one season. that's just stupid. really.
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2000 - Not great. Nice try to spin. It was terrible!!!!! Look at the picks, who cares what was said at the time of the picks. Look at the on field results, that's all that matters.
2001 - 4 solid starters. I see 2 and 2 more that are spot starters when they are healthy and neither of them have been healthy a full season and a returner only, not even a back up. TH couldn't start here of where he was traded so there goes your theory on that. I don't see anything 'very good' about that. If that's a swan song then we are in big trouble if he comes back for 2006. We will be in the same spot in 5 years from now.
And I know when TM was hired, that's why I was saying look at DA's last 2 drafts. Learn to read first.
you actually need to look at the actual context of 2000. the bills drafted for need that year, which given the roster at that particular time was the right thing to do. the guy they really wanted was ahmad plummer at cb, but unfortunately SF drafted him right before the bills, and the bills were stuck drafting on hope when they took flowers. in the second round, they coveted mike brown and deon grant (both safeties), but chicago took brown in the high 30s and carolina took grant immediately before the bills picked. the bills were left holding the bag with one of the last draftable safeties in that draft, travares tillman. he wasn't their first choice, but they needed a safety badly so they took him. i can't blame them, but obviously it didn't work out.
by the way, name me a good drafter who has a long track record who has not had at least one awful draft. it happens to all of them, from ron wolf to bobby beatherd to butler to polian (rae carruth, anyone?) to donohoe.
basically, look at the context and have actual, real expectations as opposed to pie in the sky ones where a drafter has 4 or 5 hits every year.
p.s. your claim that the 01 draft was only decent is beyond the pale.
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jim kelly was 14th overall. thurman thomas was 37th. andre reed was a 4th rounder. eric moulds was 23rd overall.
bruce, oj, and shane conlan are the only top 5 draft picks that i can think of that actually panned out.
who is kelly holcomb?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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here are some editorial comments I added:
rich gannon - became one of the best players in the league after 12 years as a nonentity
steve deberg - good enough to get his team to lose for 16 seasons
kent graham - 10-year perma-scrub who went to the giants after a first rounder, dave brown, flamed out
john friesz, of whom no more needs to be said
chris chandler - got his start at indy like holcomb, then played poorly or not very much for years, and then put up a couple of very good seasons near the end
jeff garcia - weak armed guy who didn't do anything for years, but who when put in a good situation with a good receiving corps, used his smarts to put up staggering numbers and lead a series of playoff teams