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Those "Experts" are merely paying attention to the realities of the game today that requires more talent at DT than ever before in the history of the game. They're paying attention to the fact that the better GMs around the league, guys like Scott Paoli, are drafting DTs with their first round picks in consecutive drafts EVEN THOUGH HIS TEAM PLAYS A 3-4. They're paying attention to the fact that Ron Edwards is a poor tackler. They're paying attention to the fact that the while the media and fans promote the foolish notion that the Quarterback is "the most important position on a football team", the simple reality is that in very few cases on very few teams is that true. And if it's true that your QB is "the most important player" on your team, your team is in big trouble!
excellent points. a good defense is built around the front seven and at least serviceable CBs. The DTs not only crucial for the level of line play, but key to the play of the LBs. And as we know, it's defense that's most likely to get you into the playoffs ...
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Those "Experts" are merely paying attention to the realities of the game today that requires more talent at DT than ever before in the history of the game. They're paying attention to the fact that the better GMs around the league, guys like Scott Paoli, are drafting DTs with their first round picks in consecutive drafts EVEN THOUGH HIS TEAM PLAYS A 3-4. They're paying attention to the fact that Ron Edwards is a poor tackler. They're paying attention to the fact that the while the media and fans promote the foolish notion that the Quarterback is "the most important position on a football team", the simple reality is that in very few cases on very few teams is that true. And if it's true that your QB is "the most important player" on your team, your team is in big trouble!
excellent points. a good defense is built around the front seven and at least serviceable CBs. The DTs not only crucial for the level of line play, but key to the play of the LBs. And as we know, it's defense that's most likely to get you into the playoffs ...
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WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?!?!?!?!? ARE YOU A COMMUNIST?
"GIVE THE RICH SOME MORE MONEY"?????
You think it's a good idea to take money from someone who has worked their arse off to earn a lot of dough and has already paid income tax on the same funds and for no sound reason, give it to Uncle Sam? You must be one of those people who feels slighted by or is envious of the "evil rich".
These are the people who provide jobs, give to philanthropical causes, and keep the economy going you numbskull. Of course the tax breaks are going to the top earners. They're the ones paying something like 65% of all federal taxes - not the welfare mom with 7 kids.
DUH
news flash - ralph really has never worked. he inherited it all from his father.
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Actually, even though Doug Jolley isnt all that great, it may not be a bad trade for the Jets. They move down half of one round in a draft where a lot of folks think the players 20-40 or 50 pretty equal. They fill their TE need where everyone thought they would take Heath Miller and they get to fill another hole with Oakland's #2.
i agree - excellent trade. jolley is a very solid pro, he fills a need (now that becht is gone), and the jets don't have to pay as much of a bonus to a guy drafted 8-10 picks later who isn't going to be that different in talent from the #26 pick.
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I was just at lunch reading an article in the LA Times about the new TV contract. It basically said that the league doesn't need LA as a market whatsoever and is doing quite well without them, thank you.
The one rather startling fact was:
But it also stated that it probably bumped the worth of each franchise by 150 million overnight. That may not help a local Buffalo guy trying to buy them from Ralph. I am one who thinks the Bills aren't going anywhere and the league will try to keep a team here when Ralph unfortunately passes, but it still is going to help the teams with new stadiums and with deep pockets, because salaries are going to rise quickly and players are going to jump at the huge bonus money offered and the teams with the best cash flow will have a distinct advantage. They did mention four franchises that would be hurt by this, and Buffalo was not one of them however.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-nfltv2...ack=1&cset=true
fascinating. the article makes it abundantly clear that a) the bills could afford to give clements a huge contract now, and b) that clements would be wise to wait until next year.
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Dave, not saying first rounders do not have more talent, only that they get paid like they have already made the pro-bowl. While I hate the NBA, love the way they do rookie contracts. When is the last time you had a holdout in the NBA rookie class?
Again, my only point is, except in rare cases, I would rather pay a proven pro bowl caliber player vs a rookie. I will say I am heavily influenced by Billy Beane and some of his concepts. He never drafts a kid out of high school, only college players, and again based strictly on productivity, not potential.
Substitute current NFL players vs college players and I will take the guy with NFL experience, as long as he is 27 or younger
if this is in reference to clements, i wholeheartedly agree. if one was to judge his performance since being drafted and then redo that draft, it's a no-brainer that he would have been a top ten pick. i certainly think it's a wise move to keep him instead of moving him for draft picks.
mind you, i think salary cap management excuse is a bit of a sham. teams get around it all of the time. it's pretty easy to manage it as long as you're not cutting players early who had big bonuses. since clements is pretty young, one would presume (barring serious injury) that if we did sign him to a big contract, he'd play through most of it.
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the poll is forgetting john wawrow, the ap guy who covers the bills. he's the reason the boston globe often has better coverage of the bills than the WNY papers. mind you, he shouldn't be included in this poll - he's a good reporter.
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i see where you're coming from, but think of the ravens in 2000 -- lots of first rounders, and most of them were top ten selections (sam adams, mcallister, jamal lewis, ogden, duane starke, rod woodson -- the steelers drafted him, of course). ray lewis was a late first rounder, and jamie sharper was something like the first pick of the second round. now, they have terrell suggs, who was a top 10 pick. He's averaging over 10 sacks per season. Also, Ed Reed was a late-mid first rounder. bottom line -- first rounders are generally better players, and the ones drafted higher are the best of the bunch.
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Got a question I hope someone can answer. #1 Mickey, you make a good point comparing the trades of the Bills and the Skins. However, as I do not watch the draft I am not sure when the Bills-Cowboys trade`was made. Was it just before the pick, and we knew Losman was there? That is what I see as the main differance. If they made this trade to get Campbell, and then he is not available, whew, that would be tough to take. According to all the articles and the radio this morning, that guy is rising fast.
Second as it realtes to trading say the #9 for Clements. What is the bonus a #9 CB would expect, and total comp over four years. I will try to look up, but my point is this. I would expect them to be similiar, and if I am GW-Gibbs, i know Nate can play in my scheme, and therefor I eliminate the risk . If the comp is close, I make this trade in a heartbeat if i'm the Skins.
Still trying to figure out this facination with first round picks.
good points, but as i wrote in another post, first rounders constitute a disproportionate amount of bills starters. they generally tend to be better players ...
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Thanks for the numbers!
The other things to factor into this when assessing the Bills and GM performance is not simply how many players are first rounders, but also how many of these first rounders were originally drafted by the Bills.
On both the O and D side of the ball from a quick look at your info slightly less than half (5/11) players starting for the Bills were drafted by the Bills. I think this shows that while the draft is a critical resource for building the team, it is slightly less than a majority resource. In particular when you factor in the cap management issues where UDFA starters are generally cheap and allows you to acquire the best depth possible on ST (shades of the Homerun Throw-up) this shows the even hieghtened importance of great non-draft work for building a team.
The draft is critical (good players have to come from somewhere) but I think the numbers support that folks tend to have an over-inflated sense of the value of draft picks as even these numbers show their import to be 50/50 at best, show that though more talented players are drafted higher, one cannot ignore the contribution of second day picks and that when one factors in the growing import of the salary cap the draft is an important but declining part of building a winning team.
excellent points, but i'll add that this suggests that 1st round picks are generally better players (by a significant margin) than those drafted in later rounds. no surprise, i guess, but it does make one wonder whether we should be getting fired up about stockpiling 5th and 6th rounders (not that we are at present). most of those guys never make it.
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first rounders are overrepresented in the starting lineup, and UFAs come in second place:
as the bills enter this season, on defense they will feature 4 first rounders (vincent, clements, adams, spikes), 3 second rounders (milloy, kelsay, schoebel), a third rounder (edwards), a fourth rounder (mcgee), and two undrafted players (posey and fletcher).
on offense, the bills start 5 first rounders (losman, mcgahee, evans, moulds, mike williams), a fifth rounder (villarrial), a sixth rounder (shelton), a seventh rounder (teague), and two UFAs (tucker, campbell), and a ? at LT. for the three receiver set, sub in a second rounder (reed) for a sixth rounder (shelton).
the tally:
first rounders - 9
second rounders - 3
third rounders - 1
fourth rounders - 1
fifth rounnders - 1
sixth rounders - 1
seventh rounders - 1
UFAs - 4
If the Bills land shelton and he starts, that makes 10 first rounders out of 22.
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if this were to happen, one guess would be the best player available barring WR, RB, and QB. they need o-line, d-line, LB (someone who's more of a difference maker than posey) CB, and TE help. however, if they did make the trade, it would seem to me that they're targeting someone. a CB or OT would be my guess.
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Is too much attention paid to a non-scientific measurement ?
http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/nfl/2...-1s18forty.html
great piece!
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Couple of great ones, no doubt.
Here's the list of PSU ball-carriers drafted into the NFL. Many hopefuls, but only a few had careers of any note.
2004 Sean McHugh FB - Titans
2003 Larry Johnson RB - Chiefs
2002 Omar Easy RB - Chiefs
2001 NONE
2000 NONE
1999 NONE
1998 Curtis Enis RB - Bears
1997 NONE
1996 Jon Witman RB - Steelers
Brian Milne RB - Colts
Stephen Pitts RB - 49ers
Mike Archie RB - Oilers
1995 Ki-Jana Carter RB - Bengals
1994 NONE
1993 Richie Anderson RB - Jets
1992 Sam Gash FB - Patriots
1991 Leroy Thompson RB - Steelers
Gary Brown RB - Oilers
1990 Blair Thomas RB - Jets
1989 NONE
1988 NONE
1987 D.J. Dozier RB - Vikings
Tim Manoa RB - Browns
Steve Smith RB - Raiders
1986 Tony Mumford RB - Patriots
1985 NONE
1984 Jonathan Williams RB - Patriots
1983 Curt Warner RB - Seahawks
1982 Mike Meade RB - Packers
1981 Booker Moore RB - Bills
1980 Matt Suhey RB - Bears
Mike Guman RB - Rams
1979 Bob Torrey RB - Giants
1978 Steve Geise RB - Bengals
1977 NONE
1976 NONE
1975 Tom Donchez RB - Bills
1974 John Cappelletti RB - Rams
1973 NONE
1972 Franco Harris RB - Steelers
Lydell Mitchell RB - Colts
1971 NONE
1970 Charlie Pittman RB - Cardinals
1969 Bob Campbell RB - Steelers
1968 NONE
1967 Mike Irwin RB - Bills
1966 Don Kunit RB - Cowboys
1965 NONE
1964 Tom Urbanik FB - Redskins
1963 Dave Hayes FB - Colts
1962 Roger Kochman RB - Cardinals
Al Gursky RB - Giants
1961 James Kerr RB - Redskins
Don Jonas RB - Eagles
1960 NONE
1959 NONE
1958 NONE
1957 NONE
1956 Lenny Moore RB - Colts
let's not forget lenny moore either - a seven time all-pro!!
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Couple of great ones, no doubt.
Here's the list of PSU ball-carriers drafted into the NFL. Many hopefuls, but only a few had careers of any note.
2004 Sean McHugh FB - Titans
2003 Larry Johnson RB - Chiefs
2002 Omar Easy RB - Chiefs
2001 NONE
2000 NONE
1999 NONE
1998 Curtis Enis RB - Bears
1997 NONE
1996 Jon Witman RB - Steelers
Brian Milne RB - Colts
Stephen Pitts RB - 49ers
Mike Archie RB - Oilers
1995 Ki-Jana Carter RB - Bengals
1994 NONE
1993 Richie Anderson RB - Jets
1992 Sam Gash FB - Patriots
1991 Leroy Thompson RB - Steelers
Gary Brown RB - Oilers
1990 Blair Thomas RB - Jets
1989 NONE
1988 NONE
1987 D.J. Dozier RB - Vikings
Tim Manoa RB - Browns
Steve Smith RB - Raiders
1986 Tony Mumford RB - Patriots
1985 NONE
1984 Jonathan Williams RB - Patriots
1983 Curt Warner RB - Seahawks
1982 Mike Meade RB - Packers
1981 Booker Moore RB - Bills
1980 Matt Suhey RB - Bears
Mike Guman RB - Rams
1979 Bob Torrey RB - Giants
1978 Steve Geise RB - Bengals
1977 NONE
1976 NONE
1975 Tom Donchez RB - Bills
1974 John Cappelletti RB - Rams
1973 NONE
1972 Franco Harris RB - Steelers
Lydell Mitchell RB - Colts
1971 NONE
1970 Charlie Pittman RB - Cardinals
1969 Bob Campbell RB - Steelers
1968 NONE
1967 Mike Irwin RB - Bills
1966 Don Kunit RB - Cowboys
1965 NONE
1964 Tom Urbanik FB - Redskins
1963 Dave Hayes FB - Colts
1962 Roger Kochman RB - Cardinals
Al Gursky RB - Giants
1961 James Kerr RB - Redskins
Don Jonas RB - Eagles
1960 NONE
1959 NONE
1958 NONE
1957 NONE
1956 Lenny Moore RB - Colts
fascinating.
they've done well recently with fullbacks (gash, anderson), and curt warner was a phenomenal player before getting hurt. i am also absolutely convinced that kijana carter would have been a great player if not for that unfortunate preseason knee injury he suffered at the silverdome in his rookie season. the same could probably be argued about curtis enis, who also tore up his knee badly early on. one just can't predict those things, and on top of it everyone is susceptible to that injury (not just a few players). the jury is still out on larry johnson, but he looked strong last year (although everyone seems to look strong behind the chiefs line).
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those guys were very good players when healthy but who suffered unfortunate injuries early on. they weren't busts, a term i reserve for guys who stink despite never having been injured seriously. blair thomas of the jets comes to mind.
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Umm Doug's "big chance" to get to the Super Bowl came in 1986 when Jim McMahon went down and Flutie took the reins of the defending world champion Bears. All he had to do was play smart while one of the greatest defenses to ever take the field did their thing.
He lost the very first playoff game.
His second "big chance" came in Buffalo when he had another great defense working for him and all he had to do was play smart to continue the Bills postseason dominance of the phish.
He spent all day spitting up turnovers and again lost the very first playoff game.
His last "big chance" was the one you referred to where he had an even better defense and all he had to do was play bad football against inferior opponents to earn a home playoff game and a bye.
He spent all season playing horrible football and as a result never even earned the opportunity to lose the first game.
Your boy is all mouth and no ass, and he always has been.
simon, hate to chime in so late on this, but against miami in 98, flutie had an better game than you recall against the 3rd ranked pass defense in the league at their stadium. he turned the ball over twice and had one TD pass, but threw for 360 yards and averaged over 10 yards per pass play. i didn't do the math, but i would guess that his qb rating was over 100. don't forget that the bills vaunted d gave up 24 legit points in that game ...
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You raise an excellent point. The thing is, are you willing to take the risk of letting Nate walk without getting any compensation?
The franchise tag is too big of a risk imo, and I seriously doubt that RW is going to cough up a 15 million dollar signing bonus to a cornerback.
Seriously, what chance do you give the Bills on keeping Nate after 05?
i am letting to let him walk if he has a great year this year for the bills (and it is in his interest to have one). if he walks, draft another cb or pick up a good free agent who comes cheaper. the alternative is not having a stellar cb this upcoming year. i firmly believe that football is not a great sport to think 3-4 years into the future about. there are too many coaching changes, too many postions (22 in all), and way too many injuries to predict that far ahead.
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I would gladly take the 3rd + Shelton rather than the 2nd round swap + Shelton. This way we get an extra early pick. I too think that this is going to be done on draft day. I think that not taking the straight trade is a bit of a gamble, but AZ could also walk away with nothing if they have to just cut Shelton. I think AZ will cave and take the trade and use their #1 on something other than an RB.
AZ could also trade down for an extra pick that could make the TH+ trade more palatable to them.
it really depends on who is there at 44. if it's someone the bills judge to be a first rounder in ability - a difference maker - i'd take that over the third rounder.
Is the new TV contract bad news for Bills?
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my understanding is that he walked into a business set up by his father and never really started anything on his own (except for the bills, of course, which is no small potatoes, given their current net worth). now he apparently didn't run dad's business into the ground, but all the same he is where he is because of his very wealthy forbears. it's not as if he got where he is via entrepreneurial genius or by pulling himself up by his bootstraps.