Crap Throwing Monkey

...most of which can ably describe your average "But enough about football, let's talk about Starbucks and field hockey" Peter King article, ironically.

Wait...you mean...Newt's a hypocrite?

Kurt? I, for one, am a proud member of ABLAN - the Association of Birkenstock Liberals Against Nanotechnology.

Old enough to start kindergarten yet, you moron?

Brilliant. "See...we don't have to kill the embryo to harvest the stem cells. So the IVF embryo remains alive and healthy up until the point that it's incinerated anyway." Of course, technically it's not even an embryo anyway...but let's finish spltting the current hair before we move on to that one.

"There was the fact that New Orleans did not evacuate and the mayor (Ray Nagin) had no plan." Funny. Some of us have been saying that for a full year.

Seriously, though...has there ever been another time in American history where shouting "Vote for us because the evil Other Party stole the last election from us!" was considered an appropriate, even valuable campaign strategy? Because personally, I'm completely disinclined to vote for people who are too busy looking back at the last election to properly look ahead to the next one...

Crap. I hope it misses Letchworth completely...my sister's having an outdoor wedding there Saturday.

I give this story 48 hours before it spirals into a complete shitstorm, including calls for the Marines' court martial and Bush's impeachment for "torturing" Saddam.

Riiiiight. I can see how that rationally follows from what he said...

You're quoting Fleming???? The same asshat that said ten thousand deaths on 9/11 (before the death toll was known) no big deal, just the cost of being America, and justified it by saying "Well, we started it."? The same fool that thinks FDR kept Rommel from overthrowing Hitler because it would hurt his reelection chances, and bribed the Japanese to bomb Pearl Harbor so Germany would declar war on the US? Fleming actually knows less about Dresden than you do. You're actually quoting a bigger idiot than you to justify your own stupidity? "Praised in the Journal and Post." Right. Where? Both newspapers are online, you should be able to link a book review. And check the notes and bibliography on "The New Dealer's War" (I assume you have it readily available, since a huge chunk of your drivel comes from it). What's his source for his Dresden nonsense? Yep, you guessed it: the aforementioned and already discredited Irving. I knew this would be your response. I tell you you're wrong, you ask me to prove it, I provide you with historical facts (most of what I typed is from archival sources. Dresden industry from the Dresdener Jahrbuch and OKW's Waffenamt. Raid information from copies of the raid briefings and after-action reports. Damage and death reports from the German Tagebuch for February 15th. You can't get more factual than that. ) And you come back with "Those aren't facts, because I disagree with them." Are you functionally brain-damaged?

No. Kurt, if he responds at all, will just respond with "Monkeyface, you are a liar", as he always does when confronted with facts. He'll then, in order to "prove" I'm wrong, quote David Irving to me, because Irving has a better pedigree than I do (even though Irving is an idiot, who's basically been discredited by anyone not wearing a swastika armband, and Kurt's too damned dumb to understand the written word anyway). And then somehow, once again, I'll be arrogant for coherently disagreeing with his BS position that he doesn't understand and can't support.

Seriously...you were gone?

Nah. Do You Feel A Draft, from the 2004 Draft, was hands-down the funniest one. "And with their pick, the Arizona Cardinals select...a twin-pack of Hostess Twinkies."

Well...all righty then... Major factories in Dresden: Seidel und Naumann AG: precision subcomponents for aircraft and naval use. Richard Gaebel & Co.: Torpedo parts, shell casings. Universelle-Werke: Machine guns, guidance components, searchlights. Deutsche Waffen: the largest ammunition manufacturer in Germany. Radio-Mende: field radios, aircraft radios, cryptographic gear, fuses. Deutsche Werkstaette Hellerau: aircraft and rocket subcomponents. Bruekner, Kanis & Co.: precision turbines (i.e. "jet engines"). Cartonnagenindustrie: field ration containers Infesto-Works: Torpedo parts Glaeserkarrosserie: aircraft subcomponents. Zeiss-Ikon: precision optics (binoculars, gunsights, cameras. There were 116 other manufacturers in Dresden large enough to warrant an official three-leter manufacturing code (Zeiss-Ikon, for example, was "dpv"). That alone makes Dresden not only the largest manufacturing city outside of the Ruhr and Berlin, but the largest precision manufacturing center in Germany. Railyards: Hauptbahnhof, with the repair yards and headquarters for the Dresden directorate of the state railways (responsible for all of Saxony and Sudetenland, and parts of Bohemia and Silesia - Dresden was actually THE major rail junction in Saxony, making it the key point in the rail line supplying Germany's southern forces). Friedrichstadt M/Y, the transfer point for Elbe River traffic. Dresden-Neustadt, the "secondary" goods station and rail yard in Dresden that serviced, conservatively, five thousand goods trains a week, and the main Neustadt station, which in early '45 transitted the equivalent of two full divisions of soldiers each day. Aiming points for the raids: Bomber Command 5 Group (1st raid, 244 bombers, 880 tons ordnance, roughly 10pm local): The Dresden Sport Club, specifically the Ostragehege Staduim belonging to such. Reason being: it was easily identifiable from 8000 feet up, and it was roughly 400 yards from the Marienbruecke railway bridge. Bombing times and bomber courses were set to distribute bombs in a pattern extending from the Marienbruecke towards the Hauptbahnhof...that is, roughly along the most important rail line in the city, connecting Hauptbahnhof, Dresden-Neustadt, and Neustadt via Marienbruecke. An important point here: British bombing doctrine at the time involved was was called the "double blow": one early, smaller force of bombers to basically "mark" the target, a second heavier force to do the real damage. 5 Group was chosen for the first raid, as the Group's specific doctrine (time-and-distance bombing) and training (specifically, experience with LORAN) were more suitable to marking a distant target than 8 Pathfinder Group's (who would usually perform the marking, hence the name "Pathfinder"). But regardless, 5 Group's purpose was, put simply, in deference to Kurt's stupidity, to identify the target for the following main raid. Bomber Command 1,3,6,8 Pathfinder Groups (2nd raid, 524 bombers, 1770 tons ordnance, roughly 2am local): the Altmarkt, roughly one mile southeast of the first aim point, extending further south along the rail line through the Hauptbahnhof. The Master Bomber, upon reaching the scene, was unable to discern the aim point, as the first raid's performance was unexpectedly devastating, and on his own authority shifted the aim point away from the rail line to the industrial areas in Friedrichstadt and Johannstadt, and the marshalling yards at the Hauptbahnhof (roughly northeast, southwest, and south of the Altmarkt, respectively). First Bombardment Division of the 8th USAAF (3rd raid, 400+ bombers, 1100 tons ordnance - at takeoff): "Dresden Marshalling Yards and Chemnitz Marshalling Yards" (italics mine). The American raid was pretty much a hash - one bomb wing got lost in cloud and bombed Prague, the other two wings bombed with radar through unexpected broken overcast above Dresden, and most missed the aim point, some by as much as two miles. Visually identified and bombed targets were the Friedrichstadt rail yard and surrounding industry, Neustadt-Dresden yard, and the Loebtau yard. Most bombers bombed blind, and hit literally nothing. Ultimately, of the 1100 tons of bombs that left East Anglia, only about 600 got anywhere near Dresden. That combination of raids, by the way, was the third time during the war Dresden had been bombed. February 13th, 1945 was not the "first" raid, as is so often claimed, but the third. The previous two raids, carried out by 8th USAAF, targeted the Friedrichstadt and Dresden-Neustadt yards. It's hard to argue, too (unless you're a mouth-breathing pinhead like Kurt) that it was "FDR's" plan to perpretrate genocide against Germans...when the forces under FDR's command specifically targeted military and industrial sites and attempted to minimize civilian casualties (this is a far cry from how the war was fought in the Pacific - the most densely populated district in Tokyo was specifically bombed indiscriminately with a high proportion of incendaries because it would cause the most damage and kill the most people - Kurt's lack of outrage at which should not only be duly noted, but should be unsurprising given his racial agenda.) Unless, as Kurt has stated, one believes that FDR commanded Bomber Command...which is just stupid. The order to bomb Dresden didn't come from FDR...it didn't even come from Churchill. It came from Air Marshall Arthur Harris. Specifically: before Yalta, the idea of bombing Eastern German cities to hinder German reinforcement of the Eastern Front was brought up (so that Churchill and FDR could bring a "Look, we're fighting too!" statement to the negotiating table to counter Soviet demands. That may not be clear to someone of Kurt's limited abilities, so let me restate it: CHURCHILL AND FDR WANTED TO COUNTER STALIN'S DEMANDS AT THE NEGOTIATING TABLE.) This resulted in the dusting-off of an old plan for "Operation Thunderclap", which had been written up a year previous for a massive raid on Berlin to dislocate German command and control, but wasn't followed through on because, and I quote: "attacks against oil targets should continue to take precedence over everything else." Emphasis mine...because it speaks to another point Kurt got very, very, very incorrect earlier: the Allied air forces did not go from terror bombing before Normandy to tactical support during Normandy to terror bombing after Normandy. In fact, the bombing campaign after Normandy focused on disrupting and destroying Germany's capacity to use and make oil and oil products - diesel, gasoline, lubricating oil, kerosene, etc. It was a very specific, calculated, and successful campaign. It was not genocidal, as Kurt claims...unless he somehow now claiming petroleum is a human "subspecies"...which I wouldn't put past him, ignorant as he is. Kurt's mistake belief that the air forces during Normandy weren't engaged tactically is another issue...one that simply arises because he doesn't know what tactical means, which is frankly forgivable. Anyhow..."Thunderclap" was originally envisioned as a massive raid against Berlin. When it was dusted off in January of '45, it was modified according to the reality of the war at that point: namely, that Berlin was already pretty much wrecked, and that bombing cities indiscriminately was not going to end the war that much more quickly than bombing transport and industrial targets. So the plan was modified so that, instead of one massive blow against one city, it was a series of strong raids (not unusually strong - the number of bombers sent against Dresden was average for the time, the bomb tonnage was actually lower than average) against several industrial and rail centers in Eastern Germany, including Dresden...and Berlin, Leipzig, Magdeberg, and Chemnitz. That is the order that Harris received (from Sir Charles Portal - the order he was given was basically "We should show the Soviets we're fighting...make a plan" from Churchill). Harris had his choice of five cities when he planned the raid; he chose Dresden. And nowhere does FDR even enter in to the decision. As for reports of US fighters strafing civilians in Dresden: the first report of this anywhere was by an author named Axel Rodenberger in 1952!!! Until then, and although every aspect of the raid was promptly reported by officials in Dresden and Saxony, and although Goebbels exaggerated everything about the raid for propaganda purposes, there is no mention of it until seven years after the bombing. And even then, the aircraft accused of performing the strafing - the 20th FG - wasn't anywhere near Dresden, as they escorted the three aforementioned "lost" bomb groups to Prague. And finally, as for the results of the Dresden raid: all the above named military industry and rail infrastructure were destroyed as targeted. It aided materially the collapse of the German military effort in Saxony (in ways that are beyond the understanding of Kurt's little pea-brain, but should be evident to anyone who understood what "the major rail junction in Saxony" meant). In terms of area destroyed, material damage, deaths, and effort, Dresden was in fact merely average (cities that suffered worse raids would include: Pfhorzeim - where 25% of the population died, as compared to 5% of Dresden, Wurzburg - where 98% of the city was destroyed, as compared to roughly 40% of Dresden, Kassel, Dortmund, Cologne, Hamburg, Rostock, Berlin, Magdeburg, Chemnitz). Housing destroyed was not the ridiculously imaginary number Kurt offered earlier, but 90k out of 220k units The best estimate of total deaths are between 20000 and 40000. The Dresdeners were actually pretty thorough about registering deaths in the raid and graves; those records give a number of about 22000. Eyewitness accounts from the ground tend to imply that number's low, but no higher than 40000 (e.g. Bergander, who studied, wrote about, and lived through the bombing). Numbers of 70000 and up have usually been bandied about by people such as McKee, with the logic of "Well, I can only verify 35000 deaths...but I personally think that's low, so I'm going to double it because it makes me feel better". The ridiculous 300k number Kurt threw out earlier is only claimed by one mister David Irving - who, much like Kurt himself, is a Nazi apologist and a !@#$ing moron.

Just to play devil's advocate...could mean the DNA sample is just bad, as well. I do remember hearing quite some time ago (well before Karr was arrested) that, while they had a DNA sample, they didn't think they had a good one worth much in a lab. So not getting a DNA match doesn't necessarily mean that Karr didn't do it. It just means that life isn't like "CSI".

You work for a pharmecutical company. How much cheaper can drugs get?

You know, T-Bone...you're the only one that's ever called attention to yourself here by pointing out your posts on other boards. The pathetic thing isn't that you did that, or even that you did that as "Harry Carson". The pathetic thing is that you can't even maintain a "secret" alias for one friggin' post!

So military-grade Humvees need to be upgraded with a half-ton of armor plate because they're vulnerable to every 12-year old Iraqi with a slingshot...but Reuters uses stock Land Rovers that can resist two ATGM strikes with nothing more than a hole in the roof? Note to Reuters: put some effort into it, for God's sake. You're embarrassing yourselves.

Not that many people have a chance at test-driving one, though. They'll never get anything more than pictures...

Everything else can be artificial...but not the teeth. !@#$ing hypocrite.

Who looks past the front grill, anyway?

But you still drive the Charger and don't complain, right?

Posting on a Pats board now? What, did he get kicked out of the Land of Misfit Toys already?