Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

I'm more starting think the opposite, the problem isn't the coaching, but the players. But also not sure on who ultimately has picked the players. Does Beane have the biggest voice in the room on that, or the scouts, or McD, Is Pegula telling him who to pick? Or is it simply a consensus? I will say it is possible that it's getting to the point where the players are tuning McD out as that often happens when you have the same coach for a number of years. That's one benefit of losing, the coach is never around long enough for that to happen? Gruden had quite a few bad years, the one year he won it all were with a roster he didn't have that much input on putting together. Belichick only won with Brady, yeah Allen is as good as Brady, in some ways better, but doubtful he has the will to win that Brady did and that's not a knock on Allen. Belichick was also terrible at player selection, his first few years he had Paoli, once he left, things went downhill. Belichick also won alot due to "cheating", with social media and all the monitoring and camera's, think that's harder to get away with today too.

This article in the Athletic talked about all the coaches that he didn't get along with headlined by Wink Martendale, but 5 others fired too, lit into the team doc on sideline., blocked a lateral move for existing OC, but then yanked the play calling away from him , lax discipline on the team etc. I don't recall the Jerry Hughes thing??

I just read a whole article about Daboll's time in NY. Sounds like he can hardly work with anybody.

I'm not saying it's better, I'm stating the simple fact that that's how the world works, in sports, industry, wherever. People hire people they know and are familiar with for the most part. Yes it happens every year in the NFL, but more with teams that are bad, not teams that are winning, they will just make smaller tweaks. Right or wrong, that's reality.

It's not that simple. First off you don't want to be labeled as a team that doesn't promote from within as then will become tougher to get coaches to come here. Are you planning to bring in a coach that runs the same scheme or something different. Likely it will be something different and when that happens particularly on the defensive side of the ball that also means overhaling the roster which usually takes a couple of years to do. If you do interview legit outside people as you call them, it becomes hard to differentiate between an coach who you know very well both his good and bad points vrs someone coming in from the outside and you speak with for a few hours in an interview. Unless it's someone you already worked with, but then is that much better than hiring from within? It's much safer and smarter to always pick the devil you know and that doesn't mean its an egotistical choice either.

Agree on the OC part. Often need to go back two years as a lot of times a coach who just gets fired decides to take a year off first and get a better feel for hist options first. Would other teams consider him for HC position, etc. DC, think Kowtow is too strong of a word. The situation in Buffalo is the same as found in most teams. Andy Reid wasn't going to get Ben Johnson to be his next OC either if he were available. Is it really uncommon in the league for the HC to have his coordinators run a scheme he likes in particular from whichever side of the ball he comes from.

How would you find a good outside OC? You have the choice between hiring a QB coach or something equivalent from the outside who may never have called plays, maybe you can find someone available in a similar situation as Brady who was an OC, but got fired a year or two ago and is now a QB coach someplace. Dorsey would also fit that profile exactly actually. Or hire an OC from some team that just fired their entire coaching staff. Maybe some OC from the college ranks, but these days, that may mean taking a big pay cut. Not likely some team with an existing OC would give permission to hire theirs. As for Babich, not likely you're going to get the hot DC coordinator to come here as they know they will be working under McD. Look at how it went for Bieniemy in KC. He finally left to go to Washington as knew he wasn't getting a HC job while under Reids shadow. That's really not a knock of fault if McD, that's just the reality of the league. Whatever side of the ball the HC is from, makes it tough to get a good coordinator on that same side.

When you look at the team stats for todays game, you'd never believe the game was such as blow out. Admittedly much of the Bills offense happened in semi garbage time and add the turnovers in too.

The difference between these two is Bills played very well in the Chiefs game until the final 13 seconds of regulation. Today they played terrible from the play after Bishops Int until the end. So yes I'd agree today was worst loss.

When Jackson got hurt and then D Jones was out for a bit, (admittedly he did come back in but not sure he was really should have been playing), add to that 86 degree temps and high humidity, and other starters and even the backups to the starters were out in a couple cases. I figured 2nd half was going to go like it did defensively. The 3 and outs in the first half by offense didn't help much either. But yes LB was also an issue

From what I recall what turned him around was playing some one on on basketball with Flutie and the talks them two had. Where is he when we need him?

Agree and likely Torrance will be one of the two. The Bills have drafted too many young OL guys over the past couple of years to not give one of them a shot. Even if one of them is not quite as good as the existing, they still have a very strong line. Everyone predicted chaos when they let Morse go and look what happened. Most posters here wanted to dump Brown after his 2nd or 3rd year, how'd that turn out. Think the same thing will happen here, everything will be fine.

My overall choice would be the 3rd or 4th seed with Chiefs and Ravens out of playoffs. Having to beat NE in playoffs on the road wouldn't worry me and being the 3rd seed, good chance the conf championship would still be in Buffalo as I already knocked out the #1 or #2 in NE. Plus then would have at least one home game as a division champ

I'm a lefty!

Was kind of thinking the same. There's Manning, but he hasn't exactly lit the word on fire the way he was expected too. Not sure too have all these 1st round picks with contracts all expiring the same year is a good long term solution either? You need some vets to lean on. How much dead cap are the Jets taking on with all these moves, will they be able to sign any vets this coming off season?