Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

After last season, yeah I'm sure And if the Bills had traded up and drafted Big Ben Tomlin probably wouldn't be on the list either. This list is all about SB wins, but many won quite a number of years ago.

True but he's still won more games lately both in playoff and regular season than many of the names listed above him.

I was kind of thinking the same , lose the last game as it doesn't matter. Then saw it was the Jets and they may be so bad that even playing subs the Bills still win.

Wow, you must really be interested to see how much discussion my take has got here and compared it to others. And actually most of the discussion has been solely by you. Seems like I hit a nerve here with you accusing other posters of being clueless WRT player evaluations. For someone to be so upset about my take on this, I guess I hit too close to home.

I'm not trying to shout anything down. For all I know Coleman could be a bust, like I said the odds are against him as they are pretty much against everyone. I'm just pointing out the stupidity of all the posters here who think they can tell when a player is going to be a bust or be great, as the reality is we all know very little. There's too many people here who think they are the smartest guy in the room when it comes to player evaluations. I know I'm not as are almost everyone else here.

Yeah I'll watch off an illegal stream as never had any issues with them. I've actually seed the quality better there than on legal streams. Or spoof IP address to Buffalo. Haven't tried that in a couple of years.

By my account there are 9 games either night or 4:25 start that would be on national TV, plus may get a couple of 1:00 games shown in your area, so probably paying for more like 5 games. I'm in same boat. I'm in the same boat, besides the Bills games, there was maybe a handful of other games I watched, but if they weren't available and didn't see them, wouldn't be a big difference so not going to likely pay for it to watch so few games. Give me the discount like you're giving new subs or at least $100 off and I'll likely take it.

Yes I was exaggerating when I stated everyone wants him gone. But there were certainly a number of threads about him and seemed as soon as one thread would fall off the first page or so, a new one would start up. The point is still valid in that a large number of posters think their evaluation of a player after one or two years is gospel and they are smarter about these things than the people who do this for a living. This isn't about criticism, this is about people who here all think they are the smartest guy in the room when in reality we're all pretty stupid about these things, but some will go to great lengths to prove they are right. And yes I totally agree with you about half of first round picks don't get a 2nd contract so if you claim every player sucks, you'd be right much more than being wrong. So it's easy to look smart and say this play won't succeed. Does that mean the front office folks are dumber than the posters here. And if they don't know, then how can anyone here know more? Reading your responses here and how much you seem to be taking issue with this, I can't help but think of that quote from very long ago : "The lady doth protest too much, methinks"

And there's a vocal minority that wants to write off Coleman too, or maybe it's a majority. The point of my post is that whether you're the 1st overall pick or the 256 pick, people here think they know much more than they do. And regardless of if you're the long snapper or the QB, again posters here for the most part know very little compared to people who do this for a living and are quick to jump on someone as a bust or the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Yup just like Brown's 2nd year and wasn't very good. Need to dump him everyone here said. What a mistake by Beane. Oh wait!

Don't disagree with you but Camarda also only had a 35.5-yard net average last season on punts, 2nd worst in the league. Maybe that was fluke last year., who knows??

After reading this article in todays BN, I'm rooting for Robbins to win the job. I kind of like his story better and he may have more upside IMO https://buffalonews.com/sports/professional/nfl/bills/article_35521228-014e-4b81-9533-fc5a8978417b.html

Yeah ask the RB (can't recall the name ) who tore his ACL on a jet ski 2 summers ago. And if I remember right he wasn't even moving at the time?

I guess it's just taking the G in Greg and adding it to the first few letters of his last name pronounced as Roo Put them together, you have Groot and where the "T" at the end comes from, not sure?? First time I read it, I wondered who they were talking about too.

Agree, but have to consider what is expected. Recall reading something a few months back talking about Groot. Basically it stated Groot has been been good, not great, but about what you'd expect for a player drafted around #30 overall. Not look at AJ and he was drafted late in the 2nd round, #54, so maybe he too is doing about what realistically can be expected. The problem is rarely do the words realistic and this message board go together. The average career of players drafted in round 2 is only 3.3 years so AJ has exceeded that. Also read that only around 20% of all NFL drafted players have careers considered to be good or excellent. What's it all mean. Well from what many posters write, if any players drafted in 1st 3 rounds don't become stars, Beane failed. But when you consider stats like this, he's not doing too bad, infact when you look at the Bills overall record over the past 5 to 6 years, he's doing very very good. Certainly having Josh Allen helps a lot, but it's not all because of Allen either