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It wasn’t the Bills decision to have him feel out the market over that time, it was Floyd’s. The Bills were offering an amount of money they thought they could afford, Floyd likely wanted more. What they did do is show him the interest and made him feel wanted by staying in constant contact with him. Like Beane said, the process began very early. In fact, because of the Bills constant pursuit, Floyd reportedly left more money on the table to sign with us, a championship contender. Perhaps the Bills showed the most interest as well. If you can’t see how that differs from the situation with the MLBs that were on the market, I don’t know what else to tell you.

He also didn’t find the offers he was hoping for on the market, but the Bills contacted him early, gave a price, remained in contact up to and even after the draft and that’s when Floyd decided to sign. The Bills were very involved in this courtship, unlike with Lavonte and BWagz.

This wasn’t conjecture. I got that from Lavonte who told Rich the Bills got involved late but by that time he had already made up his mind that he was going back to TB. That's a big difference between the Bills getting involved when he first hit the market and staying in constant contact with him. You know the player who fit that bill that they did land? Leonard Floyd. The “red carpet” doesn’t simply mean “money” it means making a free agent feel like he’s an absolute must for the team. EDIT: My “we don’t know” was in reference to if Buffalo was involved from the beginning along with TB and which team would Lavonte choose in that situation if the money was exactly equal. I’d guess TB, but feeling wanted on a championship contender does go a long way.

You didn’t see anything in my posts to suggest they should’ve overpaid. Maybe they could’ve got involved from the very beginning, made one of them feel wanted and needed. If they were offering, let’s say $6M/yr, Id bet they’d be given a chance to up the ante when the player’s original team offered 7. If the money was exactly the same between TB and BUF, maybe someone like Lavonte goes back to his long tenured team… or maybe, if the Bills had made him feel like this was the place to be all along, he would’ve chosen Buffalo. We don’t know. What we do know is he was in talks with his old team since the beginning, sat on the market for weeks looking and hoping for better offers and when it became clear none were coming, decided to return to TB. Agent: “Oh wait, the Bills are on line 1. Sounds like they’re offering something similar.” Lavonte: “Nah, that’s okay, I’ve already made my decision.” We have to stop the “the Bills had no chance at David or Wagner because they were always going back to their old teams” narrative.

They’re older players and were likely looking for bigger paydays than they got. Doesn’t mean either couldn’t have been had by the Bills if the team really wanted one.

I’d like to know how mentalists do much of their tricks. I’ve seen some stuff about how they’ll plant “suggestions” all throughout a space (like posting the number 10 all over a facility), but they hit on this stuff far too often to depend on a person coming forward with the number (or thing) the mentalist planted. They’d be accused of sorcery in the olden days.

I don’t know why people are still acting like Lavonte David was going back to the Bucs no matter what. He was available and could be had, but the Bills didn’t roll out the red carpet to make him feel wanted. And they got involved too late in the process. David, like Wagner, were both available for weeks and weren’t dead set on retuning to their old teams.

Come to think of it, I’ve never heard Josh talk about Knox in the way he describes Kincaid: “fun to throw to/good body language/etc,” but the addition of Kincaid does sound like Knox has upped his game (or maybe he’s the forgotten man?). This is the first camp I’ve heard Knox being mentioned almost daily in a positive write up.

Basham and a 3rd for MLB Devin Lloyd and a 7th. Would the Jags bite?

Why is this being made public? Is it because they’re already on the outs and this is a way of getting ahead of it?

I would’ve done the same and then tried to trade Edmunds for a 2nd rounder, but was told by many on this board during that time you don’t make that sort of move with a team on the cusp of a championship. With that 2nd rounder I would’ve gone after George Pickens, Cosell talked him up so much I thought he was potentially can’t miss. In regards to Lloyd, I thought he could potentially be an upgrade to Edmunds, maybe not in his rookie year, but as the years go by. Also didn’t think we’d keep Edmunds, so it’s trading one expiring contract for another 5 cost controlled years. Tariq Woolen wasn’t drafted until the 5th round, so he could’ve been an option in the 3rd or 4th, depending how much the Bills liked him. Of course we would also end up with Benford and altogether that draft would’ve been a home run.

Yeah that’s old news. If the Bills had made him feel wanted and offered maybe 0.5M more than Tampa, I don’t think he goes back to a losing franchise.

If Andy Isabella makes the team, there will be at least one guaranteed surprise cut.

Godawful goal line plays and execution. Hopefully Dorsey does his part and self scouts; he needs to make things easier.

Sounds like Taron Johnson had a retaliatory hit after Diggs flattened him yesterday. The fellas are chippy with each other, I wonder why they’re not holding a joint practice with another squad.

An eye roll for an eye roll

Yeah he signed a 2 year $13.5M deal and for that amount of money you’d hope he would look miles better than bottom of the roster Andy Isabella. Nothing I’ve heard out of camp suggests he’s worth that sort of coin, especially when we could’ve got a legitimate (former all pro) starting MLB for close to the same. That’s not to say Harty won’t make plays this season - as long as he doesn’t get hurt - but that money definitely could’ve and probably should’ve been allocated elsewhere.

Jamison Crowder, Cole Beasley, David Sills V, Tommy Sweeney, Matt Breida, and Isaiah Hodgins all had targets. Oh wait, I’m looking at the wrong game recap…

Is it too late to get a refund on Harty?

Mrs Doubtfire is probably to blame.

If Manziel was a studious football player who enjoyed the game more than being a celebrity and had a genuine drive to be the best, I think he could’ve been a bigger, more exciting Flutie type.

His entire game was backyard football. I’m sure he could read defenses on a basic level, but anything confusing and he’d just run around until he made a play.

Or a Super Bowl

Besides our own Dalton Kincaid, has anyone heard of any other standout rookies from NFL camps?

The line also looks better when Josh gets the ball out of his hand fast, like in the first game against the Rams. We know he tends to hold onto it which makes the unit look worse. There were times last year where he had seemingly all day to throw, but with that being said, a performance like Saffold had against the Bengals was inexcusable. They have to at least be able to impede their assignment for 2.5 seconds.