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13 seconds? Gee, there's candor for ya.

That's when the fight started. Should have started that with ... "I don't always wear Bills gear, but when I do ..."

Well yeah, that's if your "match-up" options are purely speed on flyers. There are a number of ways that mismatches/match-up problems are created. Point being, how many GMs/Coaches do you know that say that they don't care if their WRs create any kind of mismatch. That's what every game-plan is about except for perhaps the very few teams without a competent QB that you implicate.

It's a pop-culture extravaganza, not something designed for football fans. It's grown to become that over the years. I'll watch it if we're in it if course. I'd turn it off at half time though.

The NFL has eaten itself to death. It's grown to become an insatiable pig. The Bills, in Buffalo, is the only reason I watch any of it anymore. I typically don't even watch the Super Bowls anymore. To each his own, but I have difficulty with anything that has become entirely about money to the extent that integrity is compromised.

Aren't most if not all teams looking for match-up problems for their WRs. That's the most effective way to have a highly effective passing game.

Funny you say that, a lot of Bills fans seem to think that until Mahomes retires we have no chance of we have to go thru them. I'm not one of them, but they always come out of the woodwork using that as an excuse when it happens. We tend to beat ourselves after the wild-card round. As to the premise of the OP, if seems that it depends upon how contention is defined. And if it is true that we have no chance against Reid/Mahomes, then change what you said to come back after they retire. Otherwise, if we can solve the reasons why we haven't, them we're in contention. If not, maybe not.

Entirely out of context and different circumstances. Take a look at Walsh's career and see if you can't identify why. Seems as if you've already looked.

You've leapfrogged the point entirely. Great coaches don't posting seriously losing records simply because they don't have a HOF QB. Consider, our drought era generally posted better records than he did, routinely. With crap for QBs our coaches posted season wins of 9, 9, 8, 8, 8, 7, 7, 7, 7, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 5, 4, 3 Conntrasted with BB's win totals of 4, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7, 7, and 8 wins, of 11 seasons, again, with miserable failures in the playoffs otherwise, once with crap for divisional foes, there's zero argument to suggest anything but failure. In 11 of BB's non-HOF-QB seasons he's posted 8 losing seasons and had win totals not significantly different from the litany of coaches during our drought era. Great coaches should at least be .500 to 10-6/7 even with average QBs.

Roger, but referring to the NFL

The Bob Uecker Suite. Takeo Spikes would have been invited.

To counter, it's one thing to not win a Super Bowl without a great QB, it's another to fail miserably. In 11 seasons without Brady, his HOF QB, he posted losing records 8 times with unimpressive win totals of 4, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7, 7, and 8 wins. 49-81 total (.377) In two of the other three seasons he got absolutely dusted in the wild-card round, once by Bledsoe's Pats, a team/QB he could only go 5-11 with, and the other he didn't even make the playoffs, getting edged by Tony Sparano & Chad Pennington.

That right there should end any discussion of any comparisons. McDs done the opposite. He's taken top ranked Ds into the playoffs and choked with them generally speaking. He's even given geriatric QBs and backup QBs chances to beat us in the playoffs.

More damning than that, and in the easiest division in football, he's only made out of of the divisional round once. ... With Allen. Ryan won the off-season. McD wins the regular season. The only Bills coach to have ever done anything significant in the playoffs is Levy, and with Kelly, not Allen, and with worse ranked Ds too.

Indeed, but a win depending upon one's perspective. LOL Either way, just being light. My days of anything other than a secondary market ticket here or there are over.

What a deal.

Unfortunately, the team has gone from being a WNY/Buffalo first thing to being more of a state/national and corporate first thing. It is what it is, but it definitely has changed the fabric of things in this way as well as creating some bitterness. Bittersweet as it were, the team is staying, at least for now, but at the cost of what's going on.

It's foolish thinking that he'll be running like he does much after his prime. But that's a huge part of his game the way that they use and rely on him. He's going to have to master the high-percentage passing game at some point if we're to win a Championship. He had yet to do that. It shouldn't be difficult to envision him retiring in his mid-30s to play golf constantly.

True to an extent, but at least one of the games that I couldn't move tix for at the game was an AFC CG. As to the weather, no, it wasn't a blizzard, I have no idea how cold it was, but it wasn't snowing. We thought about going, drove by, but decided to catch it locally at a bar.

I had a couple of extra tix at least twice during the '90s playoffs games and couldn't get $5 for them in the lot or at the gates. Walked in with 'em. Not sure how that's apropos to your debate, but fwiw.

This thread has gone well. So the answer is No then?

Not sure it's staying within himself that's needed. He's never been great at hitting his short receivers open in the flats, outs, or short otherwise to move down the field. That "high-percentage game" isn't his forte. He needs to work on that element of his game if he's going to be a consummate passer. If he can do that he has the ability to become the best ever. The rest of his game is tops.

There's also a significant pattern of dropoff in play for WRs selected somewhere in the 50s for overall selection. So the 60th pick isn't likely to help us out. We've gotta make the most of our 1st rounder for a WR.

LOL Next time I'm in Buffalo I'll have to go there and see if he'll ante up with the tales of wonder and astonishment. And yeah, it's easy to get back in, they just won't let you buy season tickets, right?