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1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said:

I once told my boss I love my job

 

Jones could have left it at "I love my employer." Instead, he's repeatedly said he won't go anywhere else. Veach has also said they're going to prioritize Jones. With a higher cap, the chances of him being re-signed only increase. 

[Breaking: Salary cap set at $255M]

34 minutes ago, Trev said:

Go sign Chris Jones and Townsend. 

The cap increase just makes it more likely that KC will re-sign Jones, who has said he won’t play anywhere else. 

[Edwards-Helaire shielded spectators from the Chiefs parade shooting]

33 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

That's a great thing to hear.

 

Now for the jokes.

 

Chiefs Coaching staff/FO conflicted on feelings of player committing opposite of a crime.

 

Are you under the impression that alleged crimes are uncommon among football players?

[Allen needs to mentally overpower Mahomes]

40 minutes ago, Success said:

 

No one said he has to carry a bunch of scrubs.  He didn't have a great WR corps this year, though.  Harty & Sherfield didn't pan out.  Diggs started off great, but wasn't close to himself the last few months; I am fairly sure he was trying to work through an injury.  Davis is incredibly inconsistent, and was hurt at the end.  All of the all-22 stuff for the Bills showed epic problems w/ the receivers getting separation.

 

Sure, Mahomes had a similar bad situation there.  But he had a much better D - certainly at the end of the season & in the playoffs.

 

Allen has had to do more for the Bills than most QB's have to do for their teams.  I really don't think that's disputable.

 

 

The narrative all year was that KC's WR corps was so bad that they didn't stand a chance of going deep even WITH a good defense and Mahomes. And it was mostly true, although Rice did eventually emerge as a pretty good weapon.

 

Was anyone saying anything of the sort about Allen's weapons? 

 

And it's one thing to have inconsistent production....it's another thing entirely to have no feel for the game, consistently run routes poorly, and drop or fumble every other target. Which describes practically every receiver but Rice this year. 

 

Before Rice emerged, Gabe Davis would have been the clear #1 WR on the Chiefs, and most Bills fans think he's terrible. That says it all. 

 

KC's tackles were pretty bad too. Much weaker than Buffalo's. 

[Allen needs to mentally overpower Mahomes]

15 minutes ago, Success said:

 

Also, any context on that?

 

I did the search.  The vast majority of references seem to be game threads, where Josh makes a great play and someone says "he's Superman!"  Kind of like fans do the "he is HIM."  Basically every fanbase does that.

 

I also see quite a few "Allen needs to be Superman for us to win," or that kind of thing.

 

I'm sure you'll search further to find ways to prove me wrong or something, but context is important on this one.  There is far more "Allen needs to improve" on this board than "Allen can do no wrong," which our KC friend contended in his neverending quest for Mahomes credit.

 

 

He doesn't have to be Superman for them to win. He's supported by a good running game, good receiving weapons (including two good TEs), good tackles, and a very good defense (yes, yes, their LB situation vs KC wasn't ideal, I get it). 

 

If the Bills were to add one more solid WR and maybe bolster the interior line a bit, their offense would be absolutely loaded. I don't get the narrative that he has to carry a bunch of scrubs. 

[Allen needs to mentally overpower Mahomes]

3 minutes ago, Success said:

 

I don't think I've seen anyone here use the word "Superman," or even say he could do no wrong.

 

We think he's a top tier QB. Which apparently you don't, since you said you don't think he would have done "much" with a team Mahomes won a SB with.

 

 

 

I must be in the Twilight Zone, because you keep telling me that no one says things that I see all the time. I’ve literally seen “Allen has to be Superman” numerous times. And others will say that he has to carry the team. He’s not carrying a bunch of bums. He has a very good supporting cast, which many will admit when making a different argument. 
 

And I just said a few posts back that Allen and Mahomes are in a tier of their own. Which is pretty high praise considering there are other QBs who have won multiple MVPs, been to Super Bowls, etc. But I would rank Mahomes higher, as would most experts and media people. And as you likely would if you weren’t a Bills fan. 
 

Also, I never said that Allen wouldn’t have done much. Someone here told me that Allen would have won 6 SBs with Reid and I said probably not. I didn’t say he wouldn’t have done well. 

[Allen needs to mentally overpower Mahomes]

1 hour ago, Jim said:

So now you’re here to play “I know you are but what am I?”

 

And no, at least in my case I am not obsessed with a twentysomething I’ve never met who plays football. I feel no need to defend how great he is, nor do I post Twitter posts about how great he is every hour.

 

I love football but I have to admit that the way people have based their identities on these guys is creepy. When I see things like this guy who goes to another teams board to do whatever it is this “Saul” guy who doesn’t use his real name does, or I see people on Twitter posting 50 times a day about Tua/Josh/Pat/whoever it’s just pathetic. It confirms to me that this stuff is their life. It’s sad.

 

First of all, who uses their real name on an anonymous board? If that somehow makes you less "pathetic," then I guess you're less pathetic than 99% of fellow Bills fans and the entire internet. 

 

My identity isn't based on a football player or team. If there's anything creepy around here, it's the insistence that Allen can do no wrong and branding him "Superman." I wouldn't be surprised if some people from that part of the country actually worship him. 

[Allen needs to mentally overpower Mahomes]

1 hour ago, Success said:

 

You think we'd be on the boards of teams that hadn't won a ring yet clamoring for even MORE credit & praise for Allen?  Like, literally within days of winning another SB?

 

I wouldn't be. Not a chance.

 

 

People can keep saying that I'm clamoring for praise, but it doesn't make it true. 

 

Btw, there were Bills fans creating threads on the KC board like "The Bills will take the AFC this season." If the roles were reversed, do you think I'd be doing that? Not a chance.

 

It's pretty easy to make claims that no one can disprove (but I actually wouldn't do that). 

[Allen needs to mentally overpower Mahomes]

39 minutes ago, Jim said:

Also, imagine being so stuck on the nuts of a twenty something man that you go message boards to defend his “honor.” 
 

And by the way, the lack of respect you show for father of the year Andy Reid is horrifying. It’s not all Patrick and I for one am disgusted that you give all the credit to him. 

 

Ha...not the reason I come to this board, but no one is more stuck on a QB's nuts than Bills fans and Allen. Now imagine if he had 3 rings and two MVPs in six seasons. 

[Chiefs are just better than the Bills]

21 minutes ago, Success said:

 

Not really sure what you're looking for, but everyone here thinks Mahomes is great, and has also benefitted from a HOF coach.  It's pretty simple.

 

If anything, you're here trying to diminish Allen by saying things like he wouldn't have done much w/ this year's Chiefs team.  I mean, that's a big dropoff between Mahomes & Allen.  One guy wins a SB w/ them, and one guy wouldn't do much w/ them.

 

You think Mahomes would have won a SB w/ this year's Bills team?  Kinda doubt it, myself.

 

Do I think Mahomes would have won if he were quarterbacking the Bills in that game and playing at home? Yeah. I don’t think that would be a controversial or crazy take anywhere else. 

[Chiefs are just better than the Bills]

25 minutes ago, Success said:

 

That's quite a narrative.

 

Reid is considered the best coach in the NFL right now.  That is pretty much consensus.  People are starting to talk about him as potential GOAT.

 

You’re proving my point for me. People would have laughed in your face if you suggested Reid was better than Belichick 5 years ago. And he was a mile away from the GOAT conversation. He was fired by Philly for God’s sake, and took a lot of heat from Chiefs fans early on. Reid was 11-13 in the playoffs before Mahomes. 15-3 with Mahomes. 

 

25 minutes ago, Success said:

McDermott?  Not so much right now.  I've heard countless opposing fans & pundits say that he's holding Allen back.  I'm not ready to give up on him personally, but there is no question the JA era Bills have underachieved, and much of that falls to coaching.  

 

So, yeah - the difference in perspective is kind of funny.

 

Well, of course people are going to put a lot of the blame on the losing coach. Just like Reid dealt with for 20 years. Media narratives aren’t always fair. 
 

If the Bills make a few more plays in the 13 seconds game and this year, the narrative about McD is completely different. 

 

25 minutes ago, Success said:

 

EDIT:  I'd also add that literally no one credits McDermott w/ Allen's development. He's a defensive coach.  Daboll is credited w/ making Allen as good as he is.  That's a fairly consensus opinion also.

 

 

I’m not saying that McD personally deserves a lot of credit for developing Allen. I meant the staff in general. 
 

The bottom line is that Allen’s had good coaching, and the defensive coaching has been very good as well. All those injuries you guys talked about and yet they still finished, what…4th in total defense?

[Chiefs are just better than the Bills]

4 hours ago, Success said:

 

I've seen posters here talk about the disparity in coaching between the 2 teams, and how that's a big factor in the accomplishments so far between Allen & Mahomes.

 

That's just factual. It's not "not crediting" Mahomes and/or not thinking he's still a great QB.

 

Unless you think Mahomes deserves 100% credit for everything?

 

 

Well, respect for Reid nationally (and locally) increased 1000% after Mahomes became the starter. That’s no coincidence. And McNabb and Vick were pretty talented. Alex Smith had by far the best season of his career in 2017, and Mahomes doubled his TD total in his first year. 
 

Many of you give little credit to McDermott and his staff, but he’s a pretty damn solid coach. Went to the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor and a weak roster. Hell, one of the “genius” plays that Reid’s praised for was stolen from the Bills. The occasional questionable decision doesn’t make McD a vastly inferior coach. As good as he is, Andy’s made a hell of a lot of questionable decisions in his career too, and it’s no secret that he’s struggled with clock management over the years. 
 

Andy’s done a nice job of developing Mahomes, but does McD get any credit for what Allen’s become? Especially considering how raw and inaccurate he was early on. 
 

The difference in perspective among different fanbases is funny to me. On a Broncos board, they’ll say Andy Reid is an awful playoff coach being carried by Mahomes. And they hate Mahomes for obvious reasons. 

[Allen needs to mentally overpower Mahomes]

17 hours ago, Turk71 said:

Wtf?

It's a Bills message board you idiot😆

Besides, you need to fly over to the 9ers board pronto.🧚‍♀️

 They're dissing Mahomes again and you're not there to stroke and fondle his ........

public image and legacy 

 

Before you call somebody an idiot, you might want to actually read the conversation. I was told that few were predicting or expecting a Buffalo win (and especially not a comfortable win). I didn't say that I was surprised to see predictions of a Buffalo win. 

 

And while I'd expect to see a lot of predictions of a Bills win, if fans were so concerned about injuries and felt they were at a disadvantage, I wouldn't expect to see a lot of predictions of blowouts. Would you? But there were many. 

[Chiefs are just better than the Bills]

27 minutes ago, Success said:

 

I haven't seen a single poster who fits that characterization.

 

That might be your perception if someone cites injuries or Mahomes also having a great defense this year - but that in no way = Bills fans not "giving credit to Mahomes."  Everyone here knows he's a great QB.

 

But, once again - you ARE on a Bills board.  "Credit for Mahomes" isn't always going to be a daily focus, though I'd say again that I think there is too much of it here, and not too little, and there certainly isn't anyone who doesn't credit him at all.

 

 

You haven't seen anyone claim that Reid is the main reason Mahomes has won at this rate, and that Allen would have like 6 SBs if he played for Reid?

[When healthy: we were the best team in the league.]

5 minutes ago, BobBelcher said:

It’s funny how each off-season fans talk about how they can’t wait to get x, y and z back. This was the same thing before last season even started. What makes anyone think that next season we aren’t going to lose a few important starters at some point? Most teams do. Yes, we did have it worse than most these past couple of seasons due to the fact injuries would accumulate at the same position groups making them harder to overcome, but we can’t just assume the starters at the beginning of the year will be the starters at the end of the year, because they won’t. 
 

there is only one Kansas City (aka teams that do not lose critical pieces at critical stages of the season)

 

If that were true, KC would probably have another SB victory. Probably wouldn't have been sweating at the end of the AFCC last year either if they hadn't been down Sneed, Gay and 4 of their 5 best WRs, with a limping QB. 

[Chiefs are just better than the Bills]

3 hours ago, Jim said:

No I just think you’re making things up and doing a lot of bullshitting. There are a handful of Chiefs fans on here who don’t make things up, who don’t want to relitigate refs decisions in old Super Bowls, and who don’t want to pull the old Dangerfield “no respect” routine. And I think most of the board enjoys the conversation that they bring.

 

There are a lot of people here that pull the "no respect" card, but I'm not one of them. Sure, some people are too salty to give credit to Mahomes, but he gets plenty of credit from experts and talking heads. 

[Chiefs are just better than the Bills]

9 hours ago, Jim said:

Yet you care a heck of a lot what Bills fans think, kickin’ it here with us less than 2 weeks after your team won the Super Bowl. So yeah I assume you do care a lot about what Bengals fans think. 
 

By the way, when my favorite baseball team, the Yankees were winning World Series, I gotta admit my first thought wasn’t, “I wonder what the fans on the Red Sox and Orioles forums think.” And that is probably because, once again, I enjoyed the victory and didn’t have any need to rub it in the faces of the conquered teams, nor did I have a Rodney Dangerfield type obsession with the “respect” my team got. But hey, you do you Odenkirk.

 

I'm not rubbing anything in anybody's face and I've had plenty of encouraging things to say about the Bills and Allen (I.E. that he and Mahomes are in a tier of their own, he'll get at least one ring, the Bills roster and coaching staff are better than many think, etc). 

 

But I get it. You hate the big, bad Chiefs and all their fans, so it doesn't really matter what we say. 

[Chiefs are just better than the Bills]

50 minutes ago, Success said:

 

Did you miss the rest of the 4th quarter?  

 

An entire series of missed calls (block in the back, holding), clock "problems", and a basically phantom grounding penalty - all going the Chiefs way.

 

I was extremely glad that one wasn't the Bills.  Gotta think that Bengals fans are still replaying some of those.

 

I couldn’t care less what Bengals fans are doing. 
 

Is your take that KC is the only team to benefit from the occasional questionable call? In both games you mentioned, the most impactful calls went against the Chiefs (TD wiped off the board and an INT negated vs Cincy, plus a very iffy call that wiped out a defensive score vs the Eagles). The Chiefs were also the only team to have a TD erased by penalty in this year’s postseason and it happened twice. 
 

KC’s been one of the most penalized teams in the league and their opponents are rarely penalized. Yet people think it’s the opposite due to a couple calls in last year’s playoffs. Conveniently ignoring the massive calls that go against them. 
 

Which call was egregiously bad in the SB by the way? Rules experts said the holding call was correct and there are pics of Bradberry grabbing Smith-Schuster’s jersey. I don’t think it was a blatant foul but it was a foul by the rules. 
 

[Chiefs are just better than the Bills]

5 hours ago, Success said:

 

Really?

 

You aren’t seriously under the impression that everyone agrees with you that this was an egregiously bad call, right? Dude was a at least two yards out of bounds. 🤣
 

 

 

[Chiefs are just better than the Bills]

4 minutes ago, Success said:

 

Does KC have 2 SB's in a row w/out egregiously bad calls against BOTH Cincy & Philly, in the AFCCG and SB last year, respectively?

 

It's a curious thing to consider.

 

Which calls were egregiously bad?

[Chiefs are just better than the Bills]

1 hour ago, billsfan89 said:

The Chiefs have been a combination of luckier and at times better. 

 

2020- The Chiefs were just better, they were more battle-tested in the playoffs and a tougher team. 

2021- The Chiefs were luckier got the coin flip. 

2022- KC was better the Bills offensive line was just flawed among other issues. KC had the better team even if the Bengals were the team that knocked Buffalo out.  

2023- KC was luckier by a large margin. KC got extremely lucky their division ***** the bed and they got to take week 18 off which got them a lot healthier for the playoffs. KC also got extremely lucky that Buffalo suffered a massive snow storm that gave them a 2 day rest advantage along with the Bills defense getting injured a lot in the playoffs. 

 

The Bills time will come they just need to keep building the team well and have it all come together. Tim Duncan said it best it takes a lot of luck to win a championship. 

 

Speaking of luck, do the Bills even make the playoffs if Toney isn't called for offensive offside?

 

 

[Allen needs to mentally overpower Mahomes]

9 minutes ago, Sweats said:

 

 

 

Nothing you've said for 12 pages makes any sense.

 

Move along now.......nothing to see here.

 

Try Hooked on Phonics. You can thank me later. 

[Allen needs to mentally overpower Mahomes]

1 hour ago, Sweats said:

 

 

 

So, you're judging what was said about the pregame predictions from what you read on a "Buffalo Bills Message Board"?!?........do you honestly think Bills fans are going to slight the team, put them in a bad light or degrade their team on their OWN message board leading up to the biggest game of the year for the franchise?

 

Wow kid.....just wow.

Move along now......nothing to see here.

 

 

You might want to read what I was responding to and then it will make sense. 

[Allen needs to mentally overpower Mahomes]

16 minutes ago, Success said:

 

That wasn't the narrative I heard - nationally, or here.  Especially not "win comfortably."  Personally, I thought there was a chance we could have a good win, but I'm one of the biggest homers here, and got my usual round of laughing & eyeroll emojis.  It was nowhere near "prevailing."

 

As I said: most thought the Bills were too banged up, especially after the losses in the Pitt game.  Even your guy Wright said that.  And it was a huge concern here on this board.

 

No offense, but you seems to fabricate a lot of stuff.  Or maybe just misremember.

 

 

I did see some posters voicing concern about the injury to Bernard and such in various threads, but if you pull up the pregame predictions thread, you'll see that almost everyone predicted the Bills to win. Most by multiple scores. 

[Allen needs to mentally overpower Mahomes]

10 minutes ago, Success said:

 

Personally, I don't mind when other fans post here at all.  I like intelligent back & forth about the game.

 

But you're really not reading the room here.  It's probably hard to remember at this point how frustrating it is to be good enough for a title, but not be able to get one.  Imagine Pats fans coming to your board in the days immediately after Dee Ford was Offside, and getting upset that you weren't giving Brady enough props.  And even when there were Brady props all over your board - but that just wasn't enough for the Pats fans.  They needed to see every poster heap praise on him, or it was a slight.

 

Maybe not the best timing, right?  

 

And as for Wright - you said we always start threads about his trolling, but I think I've only seen one in the past 3-4 months.  Most here get that he's a Bayless-light clown who just wants to get a rise out of us.

 

 

Again, I'm not triggered by anything here and I'm obviously not expecting to see lavish praise for KC or Mahomes. I just think there are some silly narratives floating around. Before the game in Buffalo, the prevailing opinion seemed to be that the Bills had the advantage at most positions and would win comfortably, and then go on to win the SB. People were saying the Bills had rounded into form and were playing at an elite level. After the game, the narrative immediately changed to "Mahomes has way more talent around him and Andy Reid, so of course he should have won."