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7 hours ago, Success said:
You go around to other team's boards to correct inaccurate narratives?
Man, that would be exhausting for me. Most boards have very hardcore fans, and the narratives are all over the place. But I think hardcore fans are allowed to have more exaggerated views on their team. It would never occur to me to be some sort of "narrative police" on another team's board, and try to correct fans all the time.
Fans are allowed to be excited about their team. They're allowed to think in more partisan terms about their team & their players, on their own board, without getting laughing emojis from fans of a team who has been their main obstacle & who just won another title a week ago.
No, that’s not the reason I’m here. But if I see something that I competely disagree with, I’ll probably chime in, like anyone else would.If you don’t go to any other boards, great. But for the record, some Bills fans do post on Chiefs Planet. One of them created a thread to tell KC fans that the Bills would take the AFC this year. Others have created accounts just to troll and mock people. Frankly, I don’t mind. I’ll just give it right back to the trolls. I like some banter with non-KC fans. Gets boring otherwise.
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11 hours ago, Success said:
Maybe not an "inferiority" complex. But I find the fact that KC fans are posting here less than a week after winning their 3rd title, and particularly the tone & focus of their posts, to be a bit odd.
It is so far from what I'd be doing if the Bills ever get one.
I don’t think anybody created an acct just to come here and gloat. I know I’m not here for that.
But I do chime in when there’s an inaccurate narrative. It’s no different than Bills fans getting triggered by every little thing that the media allegedly says or doesn’t say about Allen.
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17 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
Chiefs fans have a massive inferiority complex when it comes to Allen, don't take it personally
900 threads about KC but it’s KC fans that have an inferiority complex?
You can say plenty of things about Chiefs fans but I don’t think that’s one of them.
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32 minutes ago, Just in Atlanta said:
I’m not sure how Lamar was such an overwhelming MVP choice. He was anointed by Week 3.
Why is the question.
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4 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:
So average it out if you want.
How about Passer Rating?
Josh Allen has a Passer Rating of exactly 100 in those 10 games.
Lamar's is 75.7.
And other people brought up MVP votes, I didn't. OP was more just a springboard for discussion.
I don’t think very many people consider Jackson a better QB than Allen. Some just believe he had a better regular season. Primarily because Allen had a lot more interceptions and double the INT rate. -
2 hours ago, Success said:
But KC's receivers didn't have those drops against the Bills. They uncharacteristically made spectacular catches, all game.
This is the kind of bogus narrative I’m talking about. There weren’t any spectacular catches by KC receivers in that game.
People’s expectations for MVS were so low that just seeing him catch passes that hit him in the hands seemed spectacular. But the reality is his hands aren’t that bad. People fixate on a few costly plays.
Watson dropped an early pass that would have resulted in a first down. Rice had one of his least productive games in months. Hardman had the goal line fumble and another that was recovered. Mistakes were still made and nothing out of the ordinary happened. The difference was that Toney and Moore weren’t activated.
By far the best catch in that game was Shakir’s in the end zone.
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1 hour ago, julian said:
Clearly as a KC fan you’re going to feel biased towards your guy, and I find no fault in that. It would be strange if you didn’t feel as though your awesome 3x Super Bowl winning QB was so untouchable.
That being said, a person can look at all the success KC has had and believe Mahomes is clearly on the GOAT path and may get there, but can also look at the QB and his individual play and say there’s nothing on the field he can do that Allen can’t, and as a matter of fact, there’s actually things Allen does on the field that no other QB can duplicate.
I’d argue that the only thing Allen can do that Mahomes can’t is run over someone. I’d also argue that Mahomes is capable of things that Allen isn’t, particularly from the mental aspect of the game. Which is huge, even though most focus on physical attributes.
Regardless, this isn’t the way to evaluate a player. Mike Vick could do things that no other QB could do. Does that make him better than Allen and Brady? Of course not, because he was too flawed in other areas. A lot of QBs can pull off great plays at times. What separates the best is the ability to consistently make great plays, and at the biggest moments. Allen and Mahomes both make plenty of great plays, but the main thing that separates them is that Mahomes has a much lower rate of INTs and fumbles throughout his career. You can dismiss this, but it’s a major factor that Bills fans always ignore. Mahomes is like a Favre who makes fewer mistakes than Brady.
1 hour ago, julian said:its no different than looking at Brady and saying of course he’s the GOAT and Manning isn’t, at the same time saying… Manning was a better player.
Having team success and being the GOAT at the end of your career is about accomplishments, Manning’s tell fell short in that regard but most acknowledge Manning as the better player.
I suspect in 15 years when Mahomes/Allen are retired the same conversation will take place with most acknowledging Mahomes as the GOAT or possibly in the GOAT conversation at least and at the same time recognizing Allen as the better player.
What? You think most consider Manning better than Brady? Maybe early in their careers. No one claims that now.-
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18 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:
Josh... 5-5 playoff record
2,723 yards passing
21 touchdowns
4 interceptions
563 yards rushing
5 rushing TDs .
Jackson... 2-4 playoff record
1,324 yards passing
6 touchdowns
6 interceptions
521 yards rushing
3 rushing TDs.
Lamar, sadly, pretty much ensured (somehow) he will be in the HOF as a 2 time League MVP.
Josh (somehow) still has work he's gotta do to be considered.
Discuss...
Don’t you think it’s a little disingenuous to compare stats from a 10 game sample to 6 games?None of these stats had any bearing on the MVP votes anyway.
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19 minutes ago, Success said:
Ah yes - the goal line fumble. The only mistake made in the game, apparently.
Well, except for the 60-yarder to Diggs that was on a rope & dropped, or the similar pass to Sherfield. And the missed FG.
I didn't hear "every pundit" say that the Chiefs looked like the better team. That was a coin flip game.
A mediocre kicker missing a 44-yard under major pressure isn’t a mistake. He was 2/5 in the playoffs.
And you’re preaching to the choir about drops. If KC’s receivers hadn’t led the league in drops by a mile, that game wouldn’t have been played in Buffalo.
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13 minutes ago, beebe said:
Now that Mahomes has three Super Bowls in his pocket, a guy who was already motivated by legacy is now going to be consumed by it. When the Chiefs began their mini rebuild, 2022 and 2023 were supposed to be the lean years. Instead they won two Super Bowls. They always expected 2024-2026 to be the years where they'd take off. Now they're in very healthy shape cap wise. They should be able to retain most of their key parts. Bryan Cook and Charles Omenihu will return from injury to add to a defense that might only lose Willie Gay and a couple of reserves. The Chiefs' 1st round pick in 2023, DE Felix Anudike-Uzomah, will get a ton of snaps after getting largely a developmental year as a rookie. Mahomes will restructure and save them a boat-load in the short-term. Pending UFA's are likely to choose the Chiefs over slightly better offers in hopes of chasing the threepeat (including Chris Jones, who publicly said he's coming back.) The Chiefs will have the money to pursue a top-tier WR and are likely to draft a receiver in the first round. Every assistant coach, including Spags, is coming back. They might be able to lure Bieniemy back in some sort of offensive assistant role. The 2024 Chiefs might be the best version of the Chiefs we've ever seen if they stay healthy.
As a KC fan, I have to say you know your stuff! Hard to disagree with anything you’re saying. -
1 hour ago, jkeerie said:
You are making excuses as to the Chiefs weren't good this year and other years and yet they still win SBs. You are also basically saying that Mahomes has had no advantages in his career whatsover. Where he has had more than most. This in no way negates his individual talent. As to his receivers...the point was all the miscues they were making all season which you point out, stopped in the playoffs. I'm complementing the team. They played great! Mahomes is great! Now...since you're such a huge Chiefs fan, please go back to their forums and bask in the glow of another Super Bowl versus coming to a competitors forum to brag about your team.
I definitely haven’t said that Mahomes hasn’t had any advantages. He had a lot of offensive talent around him in his first few seasons, his defense was very good this year, and his coach is great with quarterbacks. But a lot of these narratives are bogus. You can’t say that the Buffalo staff could never scheme someone open when the very play we’re talking about was taken from the Bills. And you can’t say that Allen’s been at a disadvantage in terms of offensive talent the last few years.
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3 hours ago, jkeerie said:
Okay. This is where you're becoming a Mahomes apologist...making excuses. What you're citing is the norm for any team in the NFL. No team is perfect every year. The truth is Mahomes has been given more than most if not all. Chiefs have had no competition in their division...so they make the playoffs every year with Mahomes. The key is that despite flaws exhibited in the regular season, the Chiefs show up and show out in the playoffs. All those "weak" WRs played well when it counted. And Jones it could be argued is the best DT in the game. He's a real difference maker.
Making excuses for what? I’m the only one on this board not making excuses.
I doubt the Chiefs would miss the playoffs in any division. It’s not like the Bills face murderers row in the East. KC went 2-0 vs their toughest competition this year.
Bills fans definitely thought KC’s receivers were weak a few weeks ago. There was zero respect for them before the game in Buffalo. What made you develop respect for them since? 30-50 yards per game and catching a majority of passes that hit them in the hands for once?
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41 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
We literally just watched Mahomes throw a horrific pick in his own half to swing momentum
the Chiefs however are actually able to play complementary football and his defense forced a punt after holding the Niners to -1 yards on a three and out
That's Mahomes' only INT in his last 7 playoff games.
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14 minutes ago, jkeerie said:
You can't discredit Mahomes. He's a great QB. Would he be this great if he had been drafted by Chicago in 2017? I think he'd be the kind of QB we're used to seeing but probably not with 3 SB rings. Winning the SB is a collective...you need the right combination of QB, coaching etc. You also need to be healthy and play your best on that day. KC's execution vastly improved in the second half vs SF. SF failed to execute when they had the opportunity to build a bigger lead.
Obviously he wouldn't have 3 SBs this soon if he had landed with a terrible organization, but no QB in history would. A run like this requires several things to be in place. That said, the narrative that Mahomes has had everything a QB could ask for is way off. Bad WR play this year, weak WRs last year, weak running game most years, worst run blocking in the league for a few years, bad tackle play at times, defenses that ranged from bad to average-ish until this year. And when he had a truly loaded offense in his first season, he had arguably the worst defense in the league.
To this day, I don't think there's been a truly balanced KC roster. They finally put together a really good defense, and then the offense takes a big step back. I don't think it's going to get any easier for opponents the next few years, because I think Veach is going to aggressively look to bolster the offensive talent this offseason, and there will be some solid receivers available.
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5 hours ago, jkeerie said:
Actually that play came from Bienemy after the Bills used a similar scheme vs the Chiefs.
People who want to discredit Mahomes have adopted the narrative that Reid’s an unrivaled football savant who creates an unfair advantage over every other coach. It’s silly. This is a great example. One of his “genius” plays that everyone prattles on about was actually stolen from the “unimaginative” Bills staff.Sure, he’s a good coach and a good offensive mind. But nothing that he does is beyond the capability or grasp of other good offensive minds. Not to mention, Nagy (and Bienemy before) calls a lot of the plays.
Reid is far from without faults. Before Mahomes, he was much maligned for his clock management failures and situational awareness, choking leads, getting too conservative, neglecting the run game, etc. People tear McD apart for his handling of the 13 seconds game, but Reid’a had many such instances.
I find myself criticizing KC’s play calling and conservative approach a lot. I also notice a lot of other teams doing things that I wish KC would do. There are plenty of good play callers and solid offensive minds out there, including the Bills staff.
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On 2/12/2024 at 8:53 PM, Buffalo03 said:
If he was Beane he would get blasted for Mecole Hardman and Skyy Moore in the 2nd, a 1st on Clyde Edwards-Helaire and trading for Kadarius Toney. But it's Brett Veach so he has to be praised
Do you expect a GM to be perfect? Even the best are going to have some underwhelming picks. Wouldn’t call Hardman a bust though. And Toney’s got a lot of talent. He’s just an injury-plagued headcase. They took a flyer on him, and I wouldn’t say it was a terrible decision, because he had a record-setting punt return in the SB last year and basically contributed 14 pts in a close win.
Veach does deserve criticism for picking Moore over Pickens. That one’s hard to defend.
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19 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:
But here’s where your thinking is flawed. Josh doesn’t play against Mahomes. So you wrote a very long, thought out statement but ignored the most obvious part
Allen has played against the weaker defense every year until this one. -
1 hour ago, msw2112 said:
I don't think Mahomes is vastly superior to Allen. To the contrary, Allen is better in many areas. But you can't ignore the reality that Mahomes has 3 Super Bowl titles and Allen has none. Mahomes has found a way to get the job done in the playoffs and Allen has not. Mahomes has accomplished more than any QB in the first 5-6 years of his career than any other QB in NFL history. I'm not a Mahomes ball-washer. I prefer Allen for the Bills and wouldn't make the trade. That said, I can't ignore the facts and reality of the situation.
I also stand by my belief on how the Bills should have handled the final 2 minutes against the Chiefs. It was critical that they used up the clock as well as scored (and unfortunately, they did neither). That's just smart football and the correct management of the situation. It's similar to when a player gives himself up before the goal line and slides at the 1 yard line. You don't want to leave enough time on the clock for the other team to beat you, especially when you have a Hall of Fame QB on the other sideline who has done it time and again. Furthermore, the Bills were trotting out a shell of their staring defense. Do you really think that unit was going to get a stop against Mahomes and the Chiefs in that situation? Perhaps Allen is not at fault - maybe it was Brady and/or McDermott not communicating the strategy or not calling the correct play. I would rather have had the Bills take a FG with no time on the clock than scoring a TD with almost 2 minutes on the clock and Mahomes on the other sideline. That's exactly what the Chiefs did in the Super Bowl and it worked out pretty well for them. They used up the clock, preventing the 49ers from having the last possession, tried to get the winning TD, couldn't get it, and wisely took the FG to live another day in OT.
I’d say Allen has two advantages over Mahomes. He’s bigger, and therefore will occasionally run somebody over, and he has a slightly stronger arm. But I think Mahomes checks more boxes, especially mentally. -
35 minutes ago, mjt328 said:
Not sure I agree here.
Allen had his WR open in the endzone with a 3 point deficit, and he should have ignored him in favor of milking the clock? That seems like a really conservative mindset, and in some ways could be considered "playing for the tie." It's hard to score in the Redzone, so I think you take the shot when it presents itself. I think he did the correct thing 100%.
I can guarantee that if Mahomes had a WR open in the endzone in the Super Bowl, he would have taken the shot too. The time ran down because the 49ers were keeping everything in front of them, and they were unable to do anything else. Not because he's superior in situational awareness. And at the end of the day, he was unable to give his team the lead in regulation. That also left the 49ers with a chance to win the game.
Again... this is why I get frustrated with how the media analyzes the legacy of football players and teams. There are SO MANY factors that go into every win/loss. There are SO MANY players who have a role. It truly is a game of inches, and unlike other sports where you have a best of 7 game series, the NFL is one and done. The difference between hoisting the Lombardi trophy and going home a loser... can literally come down to the ball bouncing off the foot of a special teams player that nobody has ever heard of.
People feel the need to prop up Mahomes over every other QB because of his Super Bowl rings. So they come up with all these "reasons" that he's vastly superior to Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, etc., etc. They used to do the same thing when comparing Tom Brady to Peyton Manning. Or Joe Montana to Dan Marino. In truth, there are lots of reasons why the Chiefs have 3 recent titles and the Bills have none... and virtually none of them have to do with Allen being an inferior QB to Mahomes.
Mahomes has had the most successful start to a career of any QB in history, both in terms of wins and stats. With a ton of highlights and iconic moments along the way. I'm not sure why Bills fans feel slighted when the media praises him. Imagine if everything were reversed, and Mahomes had Allen's skillset and accomplishments and vice versa. Do you think there's a Bills fan in the world who would concede that Mahomes were as good or better?
And yet, plenty of pundits HAVE compared Allen favorably to Mahomes. An ESPN graphic gave the Bills the edge at QB before the last matchup. And it's not the first time I've seen that. I'd say that's plenty of respect. I see talking heads slobbering over Allen virtually every time he's mentioned.
IMO, Allen and Mahomes are in a league of their own. I don't think any other QB is all that close. But I do think Mahomes has a little separation at the top. When one QB has 3 SBs, 3 SB MVPs and two league MVPs, while the other has none of those, there would have to be an obvious gap in ability and stats to rank him higher. I think the biggest thing that's separated the two so far is Mahomes' ability to avoid mistakes. Allen has a much higher INT% and far more fumbles.
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13 minutes ago, Bill Grundy said:
Allen’s had it over mahomes every time they’ve played lately. It’s the defence that couldn’t match 15
No one ever mentions how bad KC's defense was in the 13 seconds game. That game is probably a comfortable win for KC if DBs didn't literally fall down multiple times, leaving Bills receivers wiiiiide open at the worst possible moments. Mahomes was absolutely let down by his supporting cast in that game (also two rare missed kicks by Butker).
And the Bills have had the better offensive supporting cast the last two years.
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On 2/12/2024 at 8:56 AM, Buffalo03 said:
That. Doesn't. Mean. They're. Better. The Steelers could have beat us in the wild card game. Would that mean the Steelers are better? The Packers damn well could have and should have beat the 49ers, does that make them better if they did?
Basically every pundit said the Chiefs looked like the better team in that game. The only thing that kept it a one-score game was Hardman's goal line fumble.
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1 hour ago, ToGoGo said:
Allen is 2x as mentally tough as Mahomes.
Based on...?
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2 hours ago, SCBills said:
There should be revisionism..Iron sharpens iron and playoffs are where you find out what you’re made of.
And it’s a little bizarre to me to act like we had more talent when we were down Gabe Davis and Diggs looked entirely like a WR2 down the stretch.
Nevermind the fact that Allen had to go up against a mostly healthy elite defense, whereas Mahomes faced a mash unit back 7 for us. Maybe that somehow doesn’t matter to you .. it certainly doesn’t seem to matter in the ESPN world that portrays QB’s as if they are playing each other 1v1.
Just like it didn’t seem to matter that Mahomes was playing behind a third string turnstile OL in Tampa, or that his receivers dropped numerous TD passes. The narrative was that Mahomes can’t beat Brady in the playoffs.
But this is very different from that situation. Analysts said that Bucs team had the advantage at all but a handful of starting positions. KC didn’t have that advantage vs the Bills. All year long the narrative was about how poor their offensive personnel was. Meanwhile, everyone in the media was saying that the Bills were just flat better than KC.
You really don’t think the Bills’ offense has more talent right now? They have a better, more consistent running game. Better receiving corps even without Davis (I get that Diggs’ numbers weren’t amazing down the stretch, but I don’t think it’s because he suddenly lost the ability). And don’t forget that everyone was saying that losing Davis was addition by subtraction. Your fans think he’s garbage (I don’t—I think he’d have been the best receiver on KC’s roster until Rice emerged late in the year). Plus, Kelce is slowing down and the tackles are mediocre.
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56 minutes ago, DapperCam said:
Personally, I think it is more about coaching than supporting cast. I think Reid is a genius and 100x the coach McDermott is. I think the KC defense puts it together in the playoffs when they need to and the Bills defense chokes. I think KC special teams does what they need to and the Bills doesn’t.Consider the Bills - KC playoff game from this year. Mahomes was throwing against Elam, Dane Jackson and Cam Lewis at Nickel. And Klein was coverage LBer on Kelce most of the game. All backups and healthy scratches parts of the season.
Allen was facing McDuffie, Sneed and Bolton. All Pro Bowl and All Pro caliber players. Supporting cast matters. One guy has a much harder job than the other in that game.
Yes, supporting cast matters. But it’s debatable that KC’s had the better supporting cast, especially the last two years. People pick and choose whatever fits the argument. First it was that he had Tyreek Hill. When he was traded, the narrative shifted to it’s unfair that he has an all world TE. Now that Kelce is aging, and the WRs and tackles are weak, the narrative shifts to he has a better defense.
Let’s not forget that the Bills were favored in that game. Allen was at home and had more offensive talent around him. Not sure I’d say he had the harder task. Mahomes had to play a near-perfect game to win.
Also, there seems to be a lot of revisionism regarding Buffalo’s talent. Leading up to the divisional round, almost every Bills fan was predicting a win and a run to the SB. Only after the game did I see the claim that they lacked the talent to do it.-
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Allen needs to mentally overpower Mahomes
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Thank you. Exactly what I've been saying.
If you're expecting your defense to shut down a Mahomes/Kelce/Reid offense in the playoffs, you're probably going to be disappointed no matter who you are. And if Josh is the Superman that people claim, he shouldn't need a million weapons and/or a super elite defense to get it done.