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6 minutes ago, DapperCam said:
If Allen learns to do the “little things” maybe one day he can score 1 TD and 1 INT in regulation of a Super Bowl too. Inspiring stuff.
I’ve seen a lot of complaining on here about Allen’s supporting cast. Yet you think he’d kill it with worse tackles, much weaker receivers and a weaker running game? -
19 minutes ago, DapperCam said:
The Bills must have one of the worst playoff defenses the past 5 years right? Both in terms of yards allowed and points allowed per game?
I mean compared to the Chiefs defensive performance in the playoffs it isn’t even close, I know that.
If you take out the KC games, Allen’s defenses have allowed 20 ppg in the playoffs. Only one team scored 30 and the Bills won that game.
I don’t think it’s rational to expect a defense to shut down Mahomes/Reid/Kelce in the playoffs.
Mahomes’ defenses before this season allowed over 25 ppg in the playoffs. They’ve allowed 30+ 5 times.
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56 minutes ago, Success said:
I hate the Allen/Mahomes comparisons.
I think the only time Allen's D played as well as Mahomes' D plays every week was the Ravens playoff game.
Mahomes has Reid and Spags. I like McD, but both of those guys are legends.
Allen’s had more offensive talent around him the last two years and a better defense every year but this season.-
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17 minutes ago, Einstein said:
Causation = / = correlation.Super Bowl's become more popular over time in general. We saw increased viewership from 1966 until 2016. The NFL is doing a great job of marketing it every year.
However, starting in 2016, numbers actually started to decrease.One thing I will say is that I didnt consider the Swift angle too much when I made my original post, or I wouldn't have made it. Her fans may make the difference and put it over the edge. I was simply talking from an NFL fan perspective.
This is not accurate.Last years Super Bowl had an all-platform viewership of 115.1M.
The most watcher Super Bowl ever had over 126M. The second most watched had 119M. The third most watched had 118.5M. The fourth most watched had 115.8M.
Last years Super Bowl wasn't in the top 4.
You can see the rankings here.The reason you think it was the most watched telecast ever is because you fell for the clickbait Nielsen advertisement where they said that. However, what they didn't tell you is that they didn't start accounting for out-of-home streaming until 2021. So the 2022 Super Bowl was the most watched telecast of their new rating metric.... that came out in 2021. So, it was the most watched of 2021 or 2022.
So it was “just” one of the top 5 most-watched Super Bowls. Doesn’t really help your argument. Bottom line is that there was plenty of interest in their last SB appearance and also in their last game. To claim that interest suddenly fell off a cliff two weeks later, before a matchup with a team that’s been favored in all 20 games this year, is absurd. -
15 hours ago, Einstein said:
KC isn’t popular.
They are the most disliked team in the league, according to a survey conducted two weeks ago.
Supposing they are the most hated team in the league right now, you realize that doesn’t equate to a lack of interest, right?
If having “fatigue” causes a lack of interest, why were the Patriots involved in several of the highest-rated Super Bowls? And not early, when they were something new…the later ones.
On one hand, you have people claiming that the Taylor Swift effect is so profitable that the league is fixing games for KC. Now I’m being told that no one cares and it will be one of the lowest-rated Super Bowls ever.
Btw, did you know that the last SB was the most-watched telecast ever? Or that the Chiefs-Ravens game set records?
I get that you hate KC, but you’re not even using logic.
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4 hours ago, Einstein said:
I won't be shocked if this Super Bowl has (relatively) very low numbers.
NFL fans have Chiefs fatigue, and their opponent has 5 Lombardi trophies themselves (and was in a Super Bowl just a few years ago)These may be the two worst possible teams to have in this game, from an interest perspective.
I honestly think Bills-Lions would have drawn record viewership because of how different/new it would have been.
I'll watch, because its the last NFL football we will have for 7 months, but I won't be all that interested in anything other than the Chiefs hopefully losing.
Aside from the popularity of Mahomes/Kelce/KC in general, you realize they’re also bringing a legion of Swifties, right?-
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11 hours ago, NewEra said:
Talk about exaggerating. Sheeeesh
mahomes was so hurt that he ran for 44 yards on 6 carries. He was so limited that he wasn’t sacked once vs the team that led the league in sacks (kudos to you OL, they played great)
which 4 or your top 5 WRs were you missing?
mvs 72% snap count
moore 56%
Juju 45%
hardman 22%
toney 6%we were missing multiple all pros and our highest paid defensive players for entire seasons Our big investment missed entire games. Entire seasons. Had injuries that affected players for multiple seasons.
if love to see how you guys would’ve faired without Chris Jones. Von miller was coming off an incredible run with the rams and made several HUGE plays vs you guys in 2022 and single handedly ended your last 3 drives. He got hurt a month later and has been gone ever since. Take Chris jones away…..and your seasons ended similarly.
you guys were definitely a few plays short of making 6 straight Super Bowls. I don’t like KC but I understand football and admire the greatness of the big 3, Reid, Spags and Mahomes. I think they’ll be fine if Kelce retires and the big 3 return.
I’m friends with a handful of chiefs fans. Each of them agree that they’ve been super lucky injury wise. You disagree and can’t admit that you’ve been lucky with regards to injury 🤷🏻♂️
Mahomes wasn’t as hampered in the Super Bowl, but he’d had two more weeks to heal. He basically didn’t even attempt to run throughout the postseason other than when the game was on the line at the end of the AFCC and SB. In that situation, adrenaline takes over.
High ankle sprains are no joke and they keep most players out several weeks. When players do play, they rarely produce at their usual level. The Jags lost their last 6 games after Lawrence had a high ankle sprain this year. His completion percentage went way down and his turnovers way up. Roethlisberger struggled mightily when he attempted to play, etc.
As for the WRs in the AFCC, Toney went down early in the game. Hardman a bit later and then Smith-Schuster a bit later. Watson was out the whole game. They were left with MVS, Moore and practice squad guys. KC was also without Sneed and one of their best LBs.
People can downplay this, but a healthier Buffalo team lost handily to the same Cincinnati team at home a week earlier.
I don’t agree that losing Chris Jones would cripple KC. They held the Detroit offense to 14 without him this year and have done fine without him in the past. I expect them to let Jones walk this offseason and I predict the D will still be strong. Even if the defense took a step back, Mahomes has been supported by mediocre defense every year til now.
I don’t disagree that KC’s had mostly good luck with injuries throughout this run. But I wouldn’t say they were lucky last year or in 2020. Although I don’t think Buffalo has been horribly unlucky overall either. Definitely not to the level of what we’ve seen in Baltimore, SF, Tennessee, LAC, etc.
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3 hours ago, NewEra said:
🙄 Mahomes played great- the injury certainly didn’t affect him very much.
yeah the Dee ford Offside and the dropped int were tough. Bad luck/poor execution. Players not getting it done. The last time you’ve had any key injuries you got blown out in the SB due to those injuries.
if you’re really trying to compare the KC bad luck/injuries to the bills bad luck/injuries you’re in the wrong forum. There is no comparison.
What is your point? That the entire defense was their most valuable PLAYER?
Mahomes didn't have much mobility during that playoff run and mobility is a huge part of his game. They were also down 4 of their top 5 WRs in the AFCC, along with Sneed and Gay. I don't know how you can say these injuries didn't matter.
When have the Bills had a ton of significant injuries before this season? Let's not forget that even with those injuries, they were favored to beat KC. And the vast majority of your fans expected to not only win that game, but to have a good shot at winning the SB.
If you want to think that Mahomes is a few plays from 6 straight SBs due to luck, so be it, I guess.
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37 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:
The niners don't stand a chance. Spags will make Purdy's life miserable. Kelce will push off like Gronk and always be open. KC's oline will be allowed to hold all day. Mahomes will scramble and make off script plays. And the extra $350 million dollars that the NFL has generated since Swift hooked up with Travis will be fulfilled. Mahomes will become the NFL's new Brady love child. And everyone else will just be chasing.
Jawaan Taylor was flagged as many times this year as all four years in Jax combined.
If the NFL is pushing KC across the finish line, they have a strange way of showing it. Numerous TDs were taken off the board throughout the year, including two in the playoffs (they were the only team to have even 1 TD negated in the postseason), and they had the 2nd-highest penalty differential. Meanwhile, their opponents were the 2nd least-penalized.
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30 minutes ago, Warcodered said:
Have to think 49 people felt hell a awkward as the playoffs played out. Like come on this is going to look so stupid.
Mahomes getting votes at all is purely name recognition this year, his regular season this year didn't deserve anything to do with MVP.
Mahomes didn't deserve MVP this year, but he played better than the numbers indicate. 2nd in the league in percentage of on-target passes (behind Dak), but his WRs can't catch.
Frankly, I don't see why Prescott didn't get more consideration for MVP, or even win it over Lamar. I don't think he's anything special, but he put up the best stats this year.
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1 hour ago, Einstein said:
But is it the Most Consistent Award or Most Valuable?
It’s valuable - so why do we keep changing what words mean?
Thats more a question for the voters than you.
No player is more valuable to their team than Allen. None. Mahomes left the AFFCCG last year with an injury and his backup led a 99 yard TD drive the very next drive. And Tyler Huntley won 3 of the 5 games he played for the Ravens last year when Lamar was faking his injury. And Jake Browning went on a tear with the Burrow-less Browns.
The Bills would implode without Allen.
Henne's 23 yds in that game convinced you that Mahomes isn't as valuable to his team? 🤣
In a slightly larger sample in 2020, Henne had a 58 rating and almost lost the divisional vs the Browns despite being handed a 12 pt lead in the 2nd half.
We haven't seen the Bills without Allen, but I don't see why another QB couldn't do okay in that offense. Good running game, at least 4 good receiving options, solid tackles....other than a slightly better WR 3 and maybe an upgrade at guard, what are they missing?
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13 hours ago, NewEra said:
Sorry, are we talking about Frank Clark in 2023 or Frank Clark that had 10.5 sacks in 12 playoff games in KC? Right. He was a force in every playoff run except the year Cinci took you guys down.
Mahomes played in every playoffs game….. sorry, but being banged up isn’t being injured. Everyone is banged up this time of year.
yeah- mcdermott was great all year without Milano, white, von and daquan. Then Bernard, Benford and Rapp got hurt and missed the KC game. Kelce had a field day vs Bernard’s replacement AJ Klein….. as did pacheco. A plethora of starters were either out or ineffective due to injury.
KC has been VERY lucky with regards to Injury. The Bills have not. Winning Super Bowls takes a lot of luck along with great play and coaching. Grats on the stars aligning
I think a high ankle sprain definitely qualifies as an injury. You don't often see QBs playing well with one, if they play at all, and Mahomes was limited by it. Aside from that, KC was missing numerous players in the AFC title game and Mahomes was throwing to practice squad guys. The WR corps was mediocre at full strength, so imagine the ability of the practice squad receivers. I wouldn't say their luck was great throughout last year's run, and they didn't have much luck in 2020. Third string OL and Mahomes missed an entire half in the divisional round.
KC's currently down three starters on defense, including their best edge rusher. They've also been without McKinnon and their best offensive lineman, among other contributors. Could definitely be worse, but they're not perfectly healthy.
Missing a SB appearance due to Dee Ford being lined up a couple inches offside was pretty brutal luck. Plus the bobbled INT on a perfect throw in OT vs the Bengals in 2021. If the stars had consistently aligned for Mahomes, he'd have 6 SB appearances in 6 years, and probably another ring or two.
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15 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:
Let me tell you something: I was in Philly for the last few years of Reid's career.
"Widely ridiculed" was not the feeling on the street. There was frustration after a decade of overall high level play hadn't resulted in a championship, and gripes about Reid's time management and penchant for trying for WR screens (sound familiar to anyone?) but in general it was a bittersweet moment. I mean, maybe Philadelphia sports fans are just big softies...:P
But seriously, Reid went to 4 straight conference championship games (5 total) and made the playoffs more often than not over the course of over a decade with the Eagles, went to the Chiefs and won their division all but one year.
Yes, Mahomes pushed him over the finish line, but you don't get that amount of success over 25 years without being a good coach.
I've always respected Reid a lot, but a lot of NFL fans didn't, prior to Mahomes. To many, he was a perennial choker with horrible clock management skills who neglected the run game.
You didn't hear anyone calling Andy Reid a massive advantage pre-Mahomes.
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4 minutes ago, NewEra said:
That’s only a better question if your name is Saul Goodman. You have 2 all pros (jones and sneed) and neither has ever missed a playoff game. In the past, you had Clark and mathieu. Neither missed entire playoff games. Mathieu missed most of the 13 second game and your D had no answer. Luckily for you McD had your back.
the bills had invested more in defense than KC. That’s why we had more all pros. What good does an all pro defender do if they aren’t there in the playoffs? They do no good.
i forgot to mention all pro Micah Hyde missing 2022.
Volts of resources spent on great players that aren’t healthy in the playoffs.
again- how many all pros has Mahomes missed due to injury in the playoffs? the one season you suffered injuries on offense, you got beat down in the Super Bowl. Since then…..what good players have you lost due to injury? I’ll wait
Clark was ridiculed throughout most of his KC career and couldn't even get on the field for a bad Denver team this year. Sneed didn't really kick it into gear until this season.
Just last year, Mahomes was playing on one leg throughout the entire playoff run and they were down 4 of their top 5 WRs in the AFC title game (plus Sneed and Gay).
Even with the injuries on defense this year, Buffalo allowed 18 ppg. McD may not have the offensive impact of Reid, but he's great defensively.
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1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said:
Let's keep it super simple:
How many hall of famers has Mahomes played with? Hill, Andy Reid, Kelce, Chris jones at a minimum? So 4.
And those guys all come up massive in big games for the chiefs.
Josh? 0...
Von Miller? Diggs, Tre White and others might eventually have a case too.
Chris Jones is borderline. He has some work to do.
Over the last two years, I'd say each QB has had one surefire HOFer on his roster. Kelce and Von Miller. Miller wasn't in his prime this year but Kelce wasn't either.
It's fair to say that Mahomes had a big advantage in offensive talent in his first few years, but he definitely hasn't the last few years. And when the offensive talent was great, the defense wasn't very good.
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1 hour ago, NewEra said:
The fact that you don’t snicker about Gabe Davis says it all. He’s the epitome of a JAG. He’s. The guy has had 5 good games in 4 years with Josh Allen throwing (and sometimes forcing) him the ball.
All pro and heavily paid tredavious- injured basically misses 2 seasons
all pro and heavily paid Von Miller- injured and basically misses 2 seasons.
all pro and heavily paid Matt Milano- injured and misses and entire season.
How many all pro and heavily paid players has Kclost due to injury since Mahomes has been winning SBs?
A better question is how many all pros has Mahomes had on defense to lose? He's never had an above average defense before this year.
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2 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:
Gabe Davis? lol..
You are missing two massive factors here
Chiefs o line, and Andy Reid.
Bills o line was finally descent this year.
But McDermott doesn't come even close to Andy Reid and chiefs o line has been top 5 (at least) in football the last 4-5 years.
The fact that you snicker at Gabe Davis says it all. Here’s a guy who averaged almost 100 yds/game in the playoffs in four games from ‘21-‘22, with 6 TDs. I guarantee that KC would have welcomed him with open arms the last two years. Hell, he would have been the best WR on the team until Rice’s emergence recently.
I’m not saying that Allen’s supporting cast has been absolutely loaded, but how many QBs have that? Not most.
Mahomes’ SB-winning teams are #1 and #2 in postseason points allowed in history. I’m willing to bet that the 3rd string OL he played behind in SB 55 was the worst line ever brought to the big game. He hasn’t had a true #1 WR for two years. His receivers led the league in drops by a mile this year. He’s never had a great running game and for years it was non-existent. The offensive tackles haven’t been very good for two years, and run-blocking hasn’t been good for several years. It was dead last in the NFL a few years ago.
Have you noticed that Reid transformed from guy who was fired in Philly, and widely ridiculed by fans all over the country, to unrivaled wizard—as soon as Mahomes entered the league?
I just think the narratives of Mahomes having everything and Allen having nothing are way off the mark.
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3 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said:
Allen under Reid would have 4SBs and multiple MVPs. The fact that Allen has accomplished unprecedented QB numbers with a defensive (if you can even say that) HC and 3 rookie OC’s (1 okay, 1 awful and 1 TBD) is nothing short of amazing.
I concur with @Blackbeards assessment.
From 0 SBs/MVPs to 6 just by replacing McD with Reid? Seems like a bit of a stretch. Especially if he also had mediocre/bad defense every year but one, or the receivers Mahomes has been working with the last two seasons.-
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3 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:
I mean, I see your point about Mahomes as it's hard to argue he's not #1 now.
But it is a team sport and personally I'm not a fan of judging players just by championships.
Does Mahomes go to 4 super bowls without one of the greatest head coaches and tight ends of all time?
Not too mention other hall of famers he has played with. (Hill, Chris jones)(And even an all time clutch DC in Spags)
I’ll never understand this narrative that Allen’s carrying a bunch of nobodies. That narrative is closer to true for Mahomes the last two years (especially as Kelce’s beginning to slow down a bit).
Allen’s had one of the best WRs in the game for several years and has two good TEs. Plus a very good RB and solid OL. Davis and Shakir aren’t chopped liver either.
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On 2/2/2024 at 8:24 PM, BigDingus said:
He's at way better than "Brady levels" in terms of stats, All-Pros & MVPs (at this point in their careers), but behind in Super Bowl wins.
More talented than Brady was, more athletic than Brady was, but there's zero chance he ever touches 7 x Super Bowl wins.
There obviously isn't a high percentage chance of anyone matching 7 Super Bowl rings, but zero chance? For someone who has appeared in 4 in 6 years, and his worst year is an OT loss in the conference title game? Of course there's a chance. Don't forget that these last two years were rebuilding years. Tyreek Hill trade, defense full of rookies and 2nd-year players, young offense outside of a few positions. They weren't expected to go to back to back Super Bowls. They were expected to take a solid step back.
It's pointless to speculate beyond the next few years, but next year's Chiefs team could be their best ever if they land a solid receiver or two and continue drafting well. If he wins next Sunday and again next season, he'd only need three more after playing less than a third of the number of seasons as Brady.
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On 2/2/2024 at 7:58 PM, T master said:
No - i think he is athletically way better than Brady ever was but that's about it Brady had all the other stuff that made him more than likely the best to ever play the game .
To me it's almost like those people that make the comparison of Lebron & MJ, sure Lebron may be good and have a few championship trophy's in his collection but MJ had a 3 peat went away the Bulls lost with out him then he comes back & does another 3 peat no comparison sorry .
If there will ever be a determining factor of which is better is if Mahomes & Reid go on to win 7 or more SB's then he can be crowned, no matter the stats the championship rings are the tail of the tape on this one & unfortunately for Bills fans Brady is the king until someone knocks him off the mountain !
TB could have started Blaine Gabbert and won that SB. Same with the last Patriots' Super Bowl (Rams scored 3 points). And Brady's first 2-3 rings were won by defense/running game. He was a game manager for the first 3-4 years.
No rational person thinks Mahomes needs 7 rings to be in that conversation. A couple more is enough. Especially when you factor in rampant cheating at NE. Some may claim it didn't make much of a difference, but I disagree pretty strongly. I think it gave them a huge advantage for several years. There's a reason they continued to perpetuate a complicated and time-consuming process that involved several people for years.
All things considered, I don't even consider Brady the GOAT now. I think it's Montana that Mahomes is chasing.
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I knew this would be a narrative if KC got back to the SB. I'm highly skeptical of anything that involves corporate entities and large sums of money, so I won't discount the possibility of shenanigans. But I don't think officiating has been blatantly one-sided. There were a couple questionable calls/no-calls vs Baltimore, but there was also a KC TD wiped off the board due to a phantom hold. And if the refs really wanted to give KC a boost, I don't think they'd have overturned the call on the Hardman goal line fumble. They could have easily said there wasn't enough evidence to overturn. KC definitely didn't get much help from the refs throughout the regular season. The Toney offside call, no-call on a blatant PI at the end of the GB game, several TDs called back, etc etc.
But there's no doubt that the NFL is glad to see this development.
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On 1/26/2024 at 3:09 PM, Success said:
Not a chance, imo.
Allen has been undone by coaching, and the team in general. He carries the Bills - it's a one man show at times, and it was on Sunday.
Mahomes has rarely carried his team the same way. Mahomes wouldn't have a ring here. And Allen for sure would have at least one in KC.
In a game last year, Mahomes had 509 yds and accounted for all but 14 of the team’s yards. He won the AFC title game with Skyy Moore, MVS and a practice squad WR. Had one of his best games without Kelce or Hill vs a pretty good Pitt D a few years ago (top receivers were Pringle, Darrel Williams, Derrick Gore and Hardman). Beat Denver on the road in his first career start, surrounded by scrub backups. And he’s rarely been supported by good defense. Even last week, his defense failed most of the night.
To say he can’t carry a team is crazy.
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On 1/26/2024 at 3:11 PM, FireChans said:
Mahomes brought one of the worst defenses in the NFL to the AFCCG. Josh Allen has had a top 5 defense every year but one, and ironically that was the year he got to the AFCCG.
Yep. I’ll never understand the narrative that Mahomes has had everything and Allen’s had nothing.
In Mahomes’ first year, he had arguably the worst defense in the league. Until this year, he’s never had an above average defense. He’s rarely been supported by a good running game and they’ve generally been very one-dimensional on offense. For a few years, KC had the worst interior run blocking in the NFL. 3rd string OL in 2020, and mediocre/poor tackle play at times the last few years.
Allen’s had top defenses every year, one of the best receivers in the game for several years, good TEs (two good ones currently), a good LT and decent line, decent RBs (very solid one this year)…I wouldn’t say the cupboard has been bare.
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Like I said, I don’t think it’s rational to expect a defense to shut down a team that’s 15-3 in the playoffs and has been a scoring machine every year before this. You’re going to have to outscore them.
I’ve often heard it said that Allen couldn’t have done more in the divisional game in 2021. Well, they punted on half their possessions, so clearly the offense could have done more. And it’s never mentioned that Mahomes was facing the #1 rated D while Allen was facing a mediocre one. Or that several of the big plays occurred because receivers were running wide open due to broken coverage and DBs falling down.