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Yea I absolutely agree. We honestly should have executed better, but I dont really put it on Dorsey. I think that's on Allen for making the wrong read and then giving credit to the defense of the Bucs who did well on 4th

What was the lost payout??

I've mentioned it 5-7 times across several threads over the last 12 hours, the 3rd down RPO would have a better outcome if Allen didnt give the ball to Murray. Allen had one on one with the corner if he takes the ball. And the 4th down play was a great switch-off from LB to Corner. It wasn't my favorite play, but the defense did incredibly well there. Dorsey wasn't perfect, but he was damn good in scheming a game we all wanted. Everyone said before the game "get tempo, no huddle, spread the ball around, use Kincaid more, use Allen's legs" And ALL of that was achieved. Like, every single one. Did we play conservative on 4th and short? Yes. Did we not execute at the goal line? Yes. But my god, people want to switch their narratives every week on what's acceptable from this team. Allen had 365 all purpose yards, Cook ran for 4.8 a carry. Davis/Shakir/Diggs/Kincaid all had good games.

Kincaid has very good hands and strong footwork. Id like him to add 7-10 pounds to be able to bang around more at the line, whether in blocking or fighting for extra yardage. The best thing from yesterday was watching him break away from his route on his TD and run parallel with Josh to give him an option. Josh hit him in stride, and Kincaid could walk into the endzone. The more he learn to do that, and the more Josh trust him, the better he will produce. Really like what he can become.

I don't disagree with preferring Cook. Just acknowledging some of the components that led to the result.

That was a design RPO, and if you watch the play, Allen had one on one with a corner at the edge if he took it himself. Instead he gave to Murray, who was stuffed. I dont hate the design, I hate the execution. And to add, Harris gets that carry if he isn't hurt. Murray was the 3rd down and pass pro option. Harris was always the short yardage guy

Personally, I look at 5 or 6 things before that 3rd and short on the goal line as the reason why this game was close at the end. Dorsey wasn't perfect, but he was good in my opinion. Also - on that shotgun play, Allen has a much better chance to score if he keeps the ball there. He had one on one at the edge with a Bucs safety. I think Allen made the wrong move there giving it to Murray

It's hard for me not to give the game ball to the OC who gameplanned up Shakir to have 90+ years, David for 87 and a TD, Diggs 9 catches, Kincaid 65 and a TD, and Allen 365 total yards 3 tds. If 5-6 players are showing well on the offense, Dorsey is a reason for that. He wasn't perfect, but he was really good tonight

Yea, I think Allen not using his legs is an obvious issue right now. I get it, they want to save him for the end of the year. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Allen has been nicked up at the end of the past two seasons, and the Front Office just isn't saying anything. We need to let Allen read and react at the goal line, or put his head down and move the pile forward on a QB sneak.

Phillips is only playing because of the injury to Daquan Jones. His snap counts earlier in the year were half of what they are now

Dorsey gets a game ball for his playcalling

Feel free to list them out, and I can list out the good plays, and then you can help determine what % of good to bad plays constitutes a good week for Dorsey. Happy to dive into it if you want to put in any effort

Ah, yes. Talking with a child. The Bills won the game. Let me know when you want to admit that…. Want to criticize not going for it on 4th? Sure. But the Bills won the game and we move forward.

Shotgun from the goal line wasn’t my favorite, 4th down to Kincaid was a good play call, Bucs did a great job managing coverages. Diggs out play was flipped for Davis, and was great throughout. McD makes the decisions on 4th and short, being conservative can be a valid criticism tonight.

One play doesn’t overshadow 59 other minutes

I see we are continuing away from facts and instead proving opinions. If we are trying to force opinions as fact, prove to me McD doesn’t go for it on 4th and short up 14 against the Chiefs in a playoff game? Because his past has shown he would. He sat back because he didn’t respect Mayfield. It worked in the end, it just made the game closer than most wanted

Defense gave up key plays instead of closing out, that’s on the defense. I would’ve gone for it on 4th and inches, but jeez the defense needs to close drives out

They brought pace and quick outlets for Allen

Dorsey called an incredibly good game today. Like very very good.

How can we prove an opinion wrong? Factually, we won the game. We played conservatively in the 4th because we didn’t respect that team on the other side. Bills won. Against the chiefs, we go for it on 4th down no questions asked

Also, the no holding call on Von on the RJ al drive is just crazy. That was an awful no call

Jesus, just got bad luck all throughout the 4th. Two washy penalties on 4th down, and missing that punt pin inside the 5. it’s a game of inches, take the win and move forward.

I'll be honest, I actually think the Bucs lock you in for the next season at Week 1. It screwed over my friend who wanted tickets for Brady's last year but not the next. Regardless, the immobility of season ticket holders to cancel reasonably is a bit annoying.

I think you are taking very complex situations year over year and trying to boil them down into a few sentences. We can claim whatever narratives we want, none of us are in the building day to day. Last year Frazier was the coordinator for the beginning of the season as well, where we were doing incredibly well on defense. What happened? We lost our entire secondary to injuries, and then Von went down on top of it. That's factual. From there, we have the Hamlin situation. With all of that being the case, we still were a top 5 statistical defense and went into the playoff game without several key players (Von, White, Hyde, Daquan). We were flat. But this is the NFL, perfection just doesn't happen. We sucked when it mattered. But at least we got there. That's not a total failure, its an outcome of several factors. Allen being emotionless? Yea, we can try to build a narrative there. If it means anything, he was incredibly quiet during the 13 seconds game UNTIL the final two minutes. He was incredibly quiet when we whooped the Patriots two years ago. He was full of sly emotion during the Miami game this year as we hung 48 on them. So, maybe he isn't happy, maybe he is. We dont know as we aren't in the room. Eagles players hug Nick Sirianni during games, but I have family who work in the building who tell me players dont like him and he is an ass. But the narrative to the public is everybody loves the guy. I guess our views from afar dont point a full picture. If the Bills fail to make the playoffs, it will be a problem and legitimate questions will be asked. Allen isn't going anywhere. Diggs wont go anywhere. If someone takes the fall, its McD or Dorsey. However, at 4-3 we are still in a good position and the team has shown the ability to win games over the past 4 years. I understand pessimism... you should meet my wife. I try to be a realist through being analytical with what I can prove. Nobody here can prove Allen is checked out. We can claim it to be, buts that just self-driven narrative. Wish whatever you want. Think whatever you want. For me, I'm acknowledging that the numbers and past have shown this core team can win games and make the playoffs. Right now, that's my focus, and then we will go from there. If the players called a meeting to discuss their recent hardships - fine by me. If they didn't - fine by me. The team is expected to produce results, my focus in wins and losses.

First post: "McClappy lost this team in the 13 seconds." Second post: "And how did last year turn out. I guess you and McClappy are satisfied. Keep drinking the kool-aid." So McClappy lost the team the year before 13 wins and then you implied we should not be satisfied with 13 wins and a playoff loss. So it's not a long shot to assume you are saying a lost team and a team not reaching the Super Bowl both carry the same level of negative associations. I disagree that McD lost the team at any point. McD is one of the best coaches in the league, and will adjust as this season goes on. However, only two teams make the Super Bowl every year. We have to continue to re-tool and adjust until we get over the hump.