Yoho

It is too bad the Bills have not made the playoffs during your life.

Wow! An amazing rant. Rookie?????? I have been a Bills fan for 54 years. I have been on this board since the days of Prodigy and Bob Lamb. Because I don't post every other hour does not make me a rookie. I simply object to your repeated use of retarded in various contexts to demean arguments. Join the debate club.

"This retarded crap may be acceptable elsewhere, but it is completely unacceptable here" What should be unacceptable is using the phrase "retarded crap" when trying to refute another argument. It tells me all I know I need to know about the person making the argument. it is kind of ironic that the same person trying to justify Richie Incognito's behavior would decide that phrase is acceptable justification for his argument.

Since I am old enough to remember all of this. Let me add some more color. You have to put this in the context of the All America Football Conference which existed between 1946 and 1949. This league had the original rogue owner in Paul Brown and the Cleveland Browns. After 4 years, the league kind of merged with the NFL. The NFL brought in the Browns, Colts and 49er's, merged a couple of teams and ignored the other. The Buffalo Bills, (2nd in attendance) were dropped. Here is how it went down. "Buffalo fans petitioned the NFL to admit the Bills as well. The league, realizing the pitfalls of having an uneven 13-team league, held a vote on admitting the Bills. While a majority of owners (including the Browns, 49ers and Colts) were willing to take the Bills, league rules of the time required a unanimous vote to admit a new team. Buffalo owner Jim Breuil was content to accept a minority share of the Browns. Breuil even rebuffed an offer from the next-best pro league in the nation at the time, the minor-league American Football League of the late 1940s, to join their league." So for 12 years the Bills waited. At the same time, Buffalo was looking for a major league baseball team and was constantly disappointed. When Ralph Wilson decided to bring a team to Buffalo into beautiful War Memorial (Civic) Stadium, Bills fans were ready. By 1963, the led the league in attendance. Ralph had bailed out Oakland and Boston to keep the league going and then some serious money like Sonny Werblin made the league (and the all important TV contract) more viable. I have knowledge that has been alluded to often over the last week, that Ralph could have sold and made big money, but stuck with Buffalo. The last time was when Houston was without a team. He had a great offer to move the team (he could have still stayed the majority owner) but passed to keep the team in Buffalo. So for all those who bad mouthed Ralph Wilson over the years, please remember there would have been no Buffalo Bills without him and no one less loyal than him would have kept the team here.

Did you know that Scott Chandler was out of football between 2007 and 2009. I am not saying Caussin is anything special but again I find it ironic that Chandler is being used as the poster child for name players

Does anyone else see the irony in the fact that Scott Chandler was a complete unknown when we signed him? He was on no ones radar screen and had pretty much been a bust at San Diego, the Giants and Dallas (he had never caught a pass). Now we are lamenting his possible departure because all we are signing are complete unknowns.

Don't forget the Montreal Royals.

I believe a home run was a "White Owl Wallop"

Here is what a real offensive coordinator does. He runs the plays on first down that gain yardage. That means mixing it up and calling what the defense is not expecting. If you are really clever you will have them confused and not knowing what to do. If a play does not work, do not run it again. Never throw a pass interception. They really hurt. Do not worry about what coverage the defense is playing, you should dictate the offense. Spiller should always run to the outside. Jackson always to the inside. That way they will be confused when Choice is in there. A good offensive coordinator like Kevin Gilbride can take you to the Super Bowl. You want your offensive coordinator to be experienced and understand pro football. You also want him to be innovative, young and not predictable. On 4th and goal from the one, they should call plays that score a touchdown. If not, they should probably be fired and replaced by the quarterback coach. A really good offensive coordinator always should know how the team will execute the play that he calls. For example, if the left guard is going to miss the block, do not call that play, call another. Simple, any "maroon" should figure that out

Some people are optimists and some people are pessimists. Take your choice. For example: Over the next two weeks we play opponents that have a combined record of 12- 1 or: Over the next two weeks we play opponents that were a combined 9 - 26 last year when the strength of schedules were calculated.

Jack Kemp hurt in training camp. Tom Flores, Kay Stephenson, Dan Darragh and Benny Russell hurt during season leaving Rutkowski to start 3 games including a thrilling Thanksgiving Day game where we were about to win the game when Rutkowski fumbled on a keeper at the goal line. If we had won that game, we would have drafted second instead of first and ended up with Leroy Keyes instead of OJ Simpson.

Got to that game at 3:30 to beat the rush. I believe we were one of the first 100 tailgaters in the history of Rich Stadium. If I remember correctly Herb Mul-Kay ran back the opening kickoff for Washington.

I truly hope you reach this life achievement. As a Bills fan for 53 years, I guess that makes me OLD but it beats the hell out of the alternative. At least I watched the Bills win Championships in 64 and 65. I would have loved to see a Bills/Browns game in 64. When did OLD become an insult?

Did someone really answer a post with his prediction of who would win if they had a fight (or a thousand fights)? All I can say to you is "Oh Yeah".

Yup. It looks they are putting together a "dream team" like the Eagles or the Albert Haynesworth Redskins. Signing lots of veteran free agents is a proven formula for the playoffs

Every team in football has more holes than when the season ended. Every team. That is why there is free agency and the draft. After that we can assess if this team has more holes than last year. Can we at least wait for the legitimate moment to gnash our teeth.

I am outside Buffalo so I will never know if they talk about it. But I would like to add Dangerous Dan McGrew as long snapper. Now I am trying to remember a punt returner who had hands of stone. One of which I remember was Mini Max Anderson who when he caught it was very dangerous but often it clanged off his shoulder pad. But I remember some more recent returners that had a problem with catching the punt

Because Billy Atkins was the primary field goal kicker in 60 and 61 and Cookie was the primary field goal kicker in 62. Yoho was the primary kicker in 63 and then Sideways Pete came along in 64. You know the best part about Yoho were the kickoffs. From the moment he lined up to kick, the fans would yell "yooooooooooooo" and as he kicked it they would yell "ho". We should still do that.

Joel Collier had a winning season as well in 1966 but that was with Lou Saban's leftovers and he was gone by 1968. (See above).

I am not sure Harvey Johnson should be a contender for head coach since he was never hired as head coach. He was the long-time player personnel director for the Bills. In 1968, after Joel Collier got us off to an 0-2 start including an embarrassing 48-6 loss in Week 2 to the Raiders, Ralph pullled the trigger and fired Collier and asked Johnson to be the interim coach where he proceeded to win one game (against the soon to be super bowl champ Jets) the rest of the way. He was replaced in 1969 by John Rauch. In 1971, it got even weirder. During the summer, head coach John Rauch bad mouthed ex-Bills Ron McDole and Paul Maguire on a radio show in Buffalo. Wilson later told Rauch he was going to defend the ex-Bills. Rauch told Wilson if he did so, he would quit as head coach. Wilson defended the ex-Bills and Rauch quit right as training camp opened. Once again, Johnson was asked to fill in on a moments notice and Harvey led the Bills to a 1-13 record. He was replaced by Lou Saban. While an obviously awful head coach, it is hard to blame a guy with an interim title and another man's coaching staff. Bullogh was at least hired as head coach at one point.

Actually according to this page Dangerous Dan McGrew did start, they just had no stats http://www.pro-footb...1960_roster.htm But if you go to his page http://www.pro-footb.../M/McGrDa20.htm you will see that he was named 2nd team All-AFL so he could not have been that bad as a center. However where he earned his nickname was as a long snapper on punts. It was adventure everytime he snapped to punter Billy Atkins. So he could be named the all time worst long snapper.

Jerman was here one year, after 3 years in Miami, started 3 games after being picked up as a free agent after injuries and was never in pro football again. Williams was supposed to be the anchor of the offensive line for 10 years, lasted 4 bad years and only played 8 games after leaving Buffalo. I do not think that 3 games qualifies for this wall. You need a "body of work" and you need the disappointment factor. This is the hall of shame we are talking about.

My final recommendations are that this lineup should combine incompetence with expectations. In other words, it is OK to be bad if you had no expectations otherwise but the true wall of shame should come from those who showed up with high hopes. So my final two recommendations would be OT Mike Williams (#4 pick in the draft) for Greg Jerman and Tony Hunter (#12 pick in the draft) for Tim Euhus. But as they say in the end this is your thread (which I have enjoyed).

One of the worst recently was Keith Ellison. He was undersized and seemed to always being run over. One sure sign is that he never played for another team when the Bills finally gave up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPdne2prf-8&list=PLA5007B1387CC548A&index=50 here you go