Bob in STL

.... Mike Williams Trey Teague Jerry Gray

Years of therapy? Nice meeting you too. Try makling some sense next time.

I agree. From a tactics point of view, I think it was the wrong call for the situation. The one thing I do like about the call is that Jauron has now made a statement to his players ... they are expected to pick up 3 feet. He made thge call without hesitation and did not waver. The Bills simply need to get tougher and make that play in the future.

Fair enough on 4th and 1. So Teddy is a pilot in too!! No Bob---that's the thing. He's not a pilot, he has no training. The real pilot had fallen out of the plane just before the flyover. Tedy was parking cars for the elderly in the handicapped section when he and he alone saw this. He ran to the top of the stadium and jumped mightily--as only a Bruschi could---and wrestled his way into the cockpit. Once he got in there, he just knew what to do, like, uh, like Flutie just knew how to win, you know? That's why it's so strange.... 768951[/snapback] Well flying should be easy for him because he designed the entire guidance and control system for this aircraft one summer while at camp.

Good points. These rookies held up fine and when the defense starts playing more team defense they will be very solid.

So Teddy is a pilot in too!! I give up on the 4th and 1 call. It is not the reason we lost but it sure was a turning point. Time to move on to the next game.

Taking the 3 points is the stupidest post? It was the only other real option? I think you just surpassed me with your insult. Thank you.

The point I tried to make by adding the 3 points to get 20 was to show that this "go for the juggler and get 7" approach is total nonsense. It was a gamble we did not need to make given the situation. It turns out they only scored 19 on us, yes they might have had more if they needed it. I get your point and it is not fair or balanced.

Your point is exactly why I hate this call. What juggler? What dagger? Why follow these cliches? Why is 17 any more of a dagger than 13? There was a lot of football left to play. We don't know if we win even if we got those 3 points any more than if you got 7. This call was a momentum killer.

Well, I never said anything about Jauron being conservative did I? I think he is doing a good job.

It is oversimplifed ok, maybe even foolish. But it is not juvenile, ill-informed and unrealistic in historic proportions.

I agree. I don't know that and lots of plays would have been different. Just like no one else knows that getting 7 instead of the easy 3 is really "going for the juggler". That is my real point. Once we blew the 4th and 1 we lost all momentum. We did not get another first down. Three points adds to the lead and keeps the momentum on our side.

Well maybe they don't march 93 yards for a TD after we go up 20-7? It is hard to say how it would have played out. We may have lost 22 to 20.

We need to get that yard someday. What is Rob Riddick doing these days?

Completely different situation. Belichek did not give up points. I never said this was poor coaching either. I think this was one of the best coached Bills games since about 1995. I just think the call was wrong. There were easy points to put on the board and we squandered them.

I am not sure I am typical of Bills fans. I do know that we win 20-19 with those points. I would take a 13 point lead and the momentum.

Given the benefit of hindsight three points WAS the knockout. I take the 3 points.

The worst part of it is that it should not have mattered. All that rhetoric he spouted this past week about playing hard ... hmmm

Good post.

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I expect to get a lot of grief but I believe that this is yet another game that we let get away. I am not just talking about the failed 4th and 1 attempt, there were lots of "non plays" in the second half. As for the 4th and 1 call --- DJ took a big gamble when just taking the points would have been enough. I am talking about precious points on the road. The Pats were reeling. There was no reason to "go for the jugular". I think you show confidence by taking those hard earned points and sending an inspired defense out there to get you the ball back. Even the old high octane Bills of the 90's would have taken 3. This was a call that resonated this message ... "we better get all the points we can, before we blow it". Guess what? They blew it anyway. Clements penalty on the Whitner interception is typical of the mistakes that plague this team. I don't know if the call was fair or not but I expect more from Clements. The worse part of the game was the second half collapse of both the OL and the DL. Especially the OL. There is no moral victory. The only way to turn this around is to win.

Unbelievable! I figured that Freddy would not know much about the actual game plan to provide any help but he could at least have tied certain plays and tendencies to the different formations. Bellichek was quoted as saying they were trying to get Freddy ready to play and that he had much to learn. Hmmm.

That is not the point of the game, it is the recipe for success in the NFL. Winning the coin toss means nothing if you do not do these things. Last year we won the coin toss an unbelievable amount of times .... it is practically meaningless over the course 16 games.

Try this: 1 - Run the ball and stop the run. 2 - force turnovers, do not turn it over ourselves 3 - limit penalties, play smart 4 - play inspired special teams

JP