Bob in STL
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It would be nice to rest Allen for a week and still win this game. The key to winning without Allen playing is simple to lay out, but not easy to do.
1. The defense needs to play great football and get turnovers. With all the injuries this is not a given. Hopefully Milano, Poyer, Tre, and Rosseau are back. If they are I will feel a lot better.
2. The OL must run block better than they typically do, especially when the other team knows you are running.
3. Special teams have to consistently set up favorable field position and no negative plays.
The hardest for this team to achieve is most likely #2. Allen makes this mediocre OL look better than it is. Hoping Brown is back at RT so that Knox can get more targets.
It will be a battle on Sunday.
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2 hours ago, newcam2012 said:
Great post! The gap between the two teams is very very wide. Not even close in my opinion. I love Allen but I'll take a Jim Kelly a 100s over before I take Allen. He was a winner, a leader, and a Buffalo Bill to the heart. Even still proves that to this day. When the game was on the line Kelly would be magical. Allen not so much. He was great in KC hitting Knox for the game winner. Great in the KC playoff game with his comeback. The Jets game? He is special no doubt. No knock on Allen. We were fortunate to have Kelly and now Allen. The comparasions though aren't really fair to either one. The variables in play are just too wide and broad. You pointed out some of them.
With that said, I can't get out of my head the waiting for the Allen update.
Thanks, but I am not saying I think Kelly is better than Allen. I am saying that the Kelly Bills are so far a better team than the Allen Bills, and that the Allen Bills are a year behind the Kelly Bills in getting to the SB. That said, I think Allen is a better overall talent than Kelly and is going to be better than Kelly if he plays as long. I believe that Kelly had a much better OL that stayed together a long time. He also had HOF'ers like Thurman and Andre and Lofton, plus many other very good players. The OLs and RBs on Allen's Bills are not even close to what Kelly had.
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On 11/7/2022 at 8:09 AM, Virgil said:
1 - Davis
2 - Cook
3 - Knox
4 - Edmunds
5 - Shakir
I can see Davis on the list and that is it.
Knox has suffered a personal tragedy, give him a break. Plus he is called on to block a lot since the RT (Brown) is hurt so damn much.
Edmunds is playing good football unless you are one of those "not enough splash plays" guys.
Cook and especially Shakir are not getting enough touches to even rate and they are rookies .
My list is:
1 - Crowder - did not fill the Beasley spot adequately, then he got hurt and left two holes (slot and PR).
2 - McKenzie - not a top 3 WR and is error prone
3 - Saffold - Not helping the run game as expected
4 - Jacquan Johnson - filling big shoes and has good moments but also poor tackling and a few blown assignments
5 - Gabe Davis - inconsistent but shows up at times
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On 11/7/2022 at 8:30 AM, 78thealltimegreat said:
We are at the point with this franchise where if our QB has an off game or we play a clunker we think the world is ending and we want to burn it all down and just start over.
We lost to two 6-3 football teams on the road in one possession games. We are not getting routed by the Texans here.
The season is long and we still have 9 more games to go.
Steve Young said it best we are still a week to week league and now these guys will have to stew for 6 days hearing how they are overrated and been exposed.
We all know how good this team is and the only way they fix it is taking it out on a pretty beatable 7-1 Vikings team.
The caller must not have been Stanley from Sloan.
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11 hours ago, Amaru523 said:
Has anyone noticed that there's only 5 teams in the NFC with winning records, 3 of those teams are in the East, Hawks and Vikings are the other 2. 9 teams in the AFC are above .500.
Vikings have only 1 win vs a team above .500 (they beat a Tua-less Fish), and only 1 of their 7 wins was by double digits (GB 23-7). They've barely beaten a bunch of bad teams.
Very interesting. Their record in close games is excellent so we shall see if they are real or pretenders.
A healthy Allen and I am confident. A limited Allen, or no Allen, and this is a close game.
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23 hours ago, Bangarang said:
Weather for Sunday looks like it’s going to be miserable.
Dalvin Cook will get a lot a lot of carries.
We need to take a big lead early and force them to get away from running like GB and Jets did.
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49 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said:
1988 2020 Bills AFC Championship - got beat soundly in both games
1989 2021 Bills Divisional Round - lost a heartbreaker
1990-1994 SBs ..
So not seeing a difference so far.
This current Bills team has already lost 3 heartbreaker playoff games to Texans, Chiefs, and Chiefs - all on the road. Blowing a 16-0 halftime lead in
Houston only to lose in OT, blowing a 9-0 first quarter lead in KC (a lead that should have been much bigger), and then wilting in the 13 second debacle in KC last year.There is a major difference to the Kelly era teams that made it to the SB in their 3rd playoff season. I would not rate this Bills team at the level of the Kelly era teams until to get to the SB. To pass those teams they will have to win a SB.
The biggest difference between the two teams is the Oline and Thurman. The Kelly era had superior offensive lineman at every position, and they had a big time HoF player in Thurman Thomas. If Kelly was off, or the weather was bad, we had Thurman/Davis/Garner/Mueller and an OL that you could ride.
The current team is relying heavily on Allen/Diggs and a usually stingy defense.
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14 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:
Did the Kelly era team(s) have mid season "slumps" and "swoons"?
Its so long ago I cant recall ... also it was pre internet days so I had to look up the results each week in the Tuesday newspaper at the time.
They had an occasional bad game. No slumps and no swoons, and they rarely lost to inferior teams, which is why they had home field advantage in the playoffs a lot of the time.
This team has not shown they are as good as the Kelly era teams. Not yet anyway.
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4 hours ago, Big Turk said:
Intersting question that nobody has brought up...there were about 24 seconds left on the clock when the Davis play happened on 4th down incomplete...
With no TO left, would the Bills have been able to get everyone that far downfield in time to get set and snap the ball?
Talking about running 70 yards downfield and getting set to snap it. You'd think they would, but it would have been interesting to find out.
Between the Jets likely dogging it to get back and the Bills recent tendency to not manage the two-minute drill it would have been very tough.
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14 hours ago, Simon said:
I agree with this 100% and not just because I don't trust Phillips (which I admittedly do not), but I think the Bills coaches are so slavishly inflexible with their rotation that they're hurting themselves at critical moments. Today was a fine example when the Jets got the ball inside their own 5 with about 7:00 left and who comes trotting on the field but Jordan Phillips. 10 seconds after my wife told me to stop grumbling about it, the Jets were on the move.
The reason they run that rotation in the first place is so they can have everybody fresh at crunch time, but when crunch time comes around it's time to get your best players out there. Ed Oliver should have been out there to start that series right next to Settle or Jones, as opposed to Phillips who still spends way too much time trying to slip blocks instead of aggressively engaging OLinemen to stone opposing offenses like he should be.
Somebody on that staff needs to sit him down and explain to him that if he continues to go out there and play for himself and hang his teammates out to dry, he's going to end up right back in Arizona or some other place that is looking for a glory hound. Guy's got a ton of talent but until he starts playing more like a fighter than a dancer, he's always going to be a liability at key moments.
Agree 100% and this was a big reason we did not re-sign him the first time. He tends to freelance on his running assignments. Sometimes he makes a big play but other times he is just out of position. With only two LBs back there playing your line gap is critical to stopping the run.
With all the rotation on the DL there is no reason we aren't playing our best 4 in crunch time.
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Lots of pain after a loss.
Milano & Poyer out was the biggest problem with the defense today. A defense already missing Tre and Hyde. We finally showed a crack in the armor.
There were so many things wrong with the Bills play on both sides of the ball today that it is not all on the offense or all on the defense.
The Jets played better today. The Jets had made more plays and less mistakes. Things went their way too.
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Milano and Poyer out is the biggest factor in the run defense. Still, it would be good to see some other formations such as 3 LBs in there occasionally, especially against a QB like the one we played today.
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Team loss.
Get mad and get to work on the Vikings. We will see the Jets again in 5 weeks.
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Today is the day I join the OBJ crowd.
1- Diggs is a star and will draw double coverage.
2 - I don't understand Davis. He disappears for games at a time. Good CBs can cover him and take him out of the game.
3 - They miss a reliable guy like Beasley in the slot (the Beasley of a few years back). Crowder did not do the job. McKenzie is not a slot guy and would be better as the 4th WR and gadget guy.
4 - Shakir looks promising but not getting many targets. For some reason the TE's don't get targeted much either.
5- Kummerow is an emergency plug-in WR, plus Special Teams.
OBJ can help.
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12 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:
55-yarder is no gimme.
More bothered by the kick out of bounds— his second of the year. I think they have him really try to sky those and place them in a precise spot— juice may not be worth the squeeze.
Agree. Thankfully the defense bailed him out on the kick out of bounds.
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4 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:
Interception by Edmunds? Should we have challenged? At one point the Jets TE has arms extended on his back while 49 has the ball, then grabs for possession. May have been too hard to overturn? Just such a big play.
No way you challenge. Not enough on film to overturn it. The call on the field has priority and by rule, the offense wins in a simultaneous possession.
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22 minutes ago, henry jones said:
And have a defense that can routinely get the ball back. Josh is trying to make big plays because he knows his defense isn’t stopping anyone.
Giving up 20 on the road should have given us a win. You could argue that the defense gave up 13 points and 7 points are directly related to the second Allen interception. The offense does not sustain one single drive after their first 3 possessions. The offense refuses to run, and lately they have stopped throwing the much higher percentage short passes.
Big plays happen when you can consistently make small plays, causing the opponents defense to cheat on what you are doing.
The last two weeks Josh has checked down much less than he has in previous games. They are throwing deep more, and they are not hitting the long ball enough to warrant that. Take away his running game today and you have a guy with a 51.9 QBR.
Final comment - if Josh is trying to make big plays, then he should target Diggs more. Diggs was a forgotten man in the second half.
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2 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:
There is no doubt the Bills got out coached. They had no answers to stop their run attack. It was pitiful when the Bills had them pinned at the 4 yard line in the 4th quarter. Run, run, run, and more runs with no answer. That just can't happen! What adjustments did they make? No way this team makes a super Bowl appearance playing like that. The division is a log jam. I don't think teams fear the Bills. Adjustments needs to be made. I'm not a great xs and os guy. Maybe someone here can give some good insight. Right now, this is a crappy Sunday.
The running defense is a concern. Milano out hurt was a factor. Bad backup DB tackling was a factor. From the X and O standpoint, they never left the nickel defense either, at least from what I saw. I think the problem was more about missing Milano and some bad tackling on top of it.
Still, we only needed 21 points to win and we left at least 10 on the field.
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16 minutes ago, henry jones said:
It’s tough for the offense to get in a rhythm when they only touch the ball once a quarter.
In the 3rd quarter the defense gave up a long drive but got them the ball back only to see the offense turn it over two plays later and advance the Jets even closer to the goal line. That is why we didn't "touch the ball". You want the offense to get more touches? Get more first downs, stop the constant 20 yard deep plays and take what is given underneath.
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29 minutes ago, Beck Water said:
bull####.
As an aid to the eyes of those with a smidge of "open" in their minds, I have circled the ball and marked Gardner's arm where it's over Davis's arm
Davis did get his arm free and try for the ball, but it was by no means a gimme and Sauce was draped all over him.
Some refs would call that pass interference, especially if you see the reverse angle with the DB making contact way down the field, but Davis still needs to go get the ball, not wait for it. If he goes to the ball and fights for it, he might get the PI since the DB never turns around. Davis was NOT good today.
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30 minutes ago, klos63 said:
Does Dorsey actually design a game plan. Every game seems the same, no imagination, no running game. He was my biggest concern coming into the season and still is. We won with talent early on, now teams have a strategy against us and we can't do much. Need to figure out how to use Knox, Davis, get a running game going outside of Allen.
Allen has looked like crap too.
But we won the NY/NJ argument , so there's something.
We had long drives the first three possessions and got 14 points, Josh's interception killed a drive deep in the red zone. 21 points would have won the game.
Two weeks in a row the offense was a non-factor in the second half. We never threatened to score a TD after that 3rd possession, settling for a 51-yard FG and missing a 53 yarder.
So, my question about Dorsey would be does have more than a first half game-plan? Does he counter when they counter? It has not looked like that the past few weeks. In Dorsey's defense the plays might be fine if the execution was better. Today we got close to nothing from Davis, Knox, McKenzie, and Singletary.
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3 hours ago, Einstein said:
Anyone know him personally? Guy has been around forever.
Yes. Great guy.
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Very good football player. Best wishes to him.
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RIP Coach.
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Allen Injury a Good Thing?
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You would think it would be easier to get the running game going with the threat of Allen's passing in the lineup.
There will be no fear of Keenam, and there will be 7 (or 8) in the box if we try to run all day.
Defense and ST will have to come up big too.