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I think this is the kind of offense that done guys play big and others don't depending on match ups. They aren't dependent on one or two guys. I like it.

Allen doing Allen things.

What a drive. Side note. Bass looks really good.

Bassamatic is back

Bills winning the turnover battle.

So much for a slow start.

Let's wait til after the game before we trash him.

Not going to lie, I wanted to kick the FG.

Let's take it a step further. No one goes hungry if you feed them. No one is homeless if you give them shelter. See where I'm going with this?

It can definitely mean that. It can also mean the Bills roster was rock solid the last few years. Led by Allen and Diggs. I definitely over stated my position. Overwhelming slow start was a poor choice of words. Gunner, broke down the stats very well. Refer to his detailed post.

By time they settle in they could be down 14 points. The Dolphins aren't the Cardinals. Is it me or do the Bills overwhelmingly get off to slow starts. I think it's vastly due to being out coached and out game planned. Don't you? We've defended it well in the past. I think McD knows how to contain, limit, and beat Miami. The real question is can the newer younger players step up and execute the defensive game plan. There will be some new wrinkles too. Can they adjust properly. I think the Bills will be fine on offense so long as they take care of the ball.

Really good test and measuring stick for both teams early in the season. This game can go in so many directions. I'm having a difficult time coming up with a solid game script. As a result, I'm unable to give a synopsis with confidence. The Bills have Allen and a mix match of offensive weapons who can have a big game. McD always seems to have solid game plans vs Miami. Hill and Waddle are darn right dangerous. I don't see a blowout here. Both team know each other well. Teams are pretty evenly matched, and they've played each other close in several games. Bills 24 Miami 23

I agree but strictly from a legal standpoint the officers acted within the parameters of law. With the exception of the police officer grabbing Hill by the neck and forcing him to sit down. That was excessive use of force since he was cuffed, posed no threat, was restrained by fellow officer, and appeared to be slowly starting to comply and sit down. The neck grab was excessive. The officers arrested Hill by forceably removing him from the vehicle and hand cuffing him. Folks, that's not a detainment. It meets all the criteria for an arrest. It's pretty much a slam dunk The police had the legal right to remove Hill. They gave him a lawful order and he did not comply. Thus, the use of force was necessary. The amount of force used to subdue and cuff Hill was justified and not excessive. He could have been easily charged with obstructing justice or something similar to that charge. When cooler heads prevailed the authorities reviewed the incident and chose not to charge Hill criminally. Lots of theories as to why that happened. Who knows? No way in hell would a district attorney pursue criminal charges on Hill. They would be laughed right out of their position. This incident was a complete ***** show by all parties involved. Poor police behavior, actions, and judgement even if it falls with the law. Both can be true. Poor behavior, actions, and judgement from Hill. In the end, law enforcement officers are always held to a higher standard. Every LEO knows this and it comes with the territory. Folks, what we saw wasn't a high standard. It was borderline embarrassing. It's bad policing when a police officer allows a suspect to get them angry and that anger leads too bad decisions. I believe that's what happened here. It's bad policing when the police officers escalate rather than deescalate the situation. I believe that's what happened here. Their behavior, actions, and lack of judgement are the exact kinds of behaviors that leads to serious injuries to suspects and police officers. Thankfully, no one was hurt. It's not a good look for the Miami PD.

Not much for me to quibble about. Nice response. But you are thinking like a rational law abiding citizen. Thugs, criminals, pieces of poop, etc ...don't think like that.

I mostly agree with this. However, what I think you might be overlooking of the cops attitude and verbal interactions with Hill. If I may digress. For the most part, believe officers take charge, act assertively and or aggressively, give orders and commands,communicate in very stern tone of voice, and are dominant in nature. Most often it serves a purpose and promotes officer safety. IMHO, the opposite of the above is under taught and under trained. To be humble, to listen, to acknowledge a person's feelings, etc... Often one sees this as a sign of weakness. Nothing is further from the truth. As one of my training officers once taught me. There is always more than one way to skin a cat. That saying always resonates in my mind. Kill them with kindness sort of speak. Just doesn't happen enough in our law enforcement system. Of course, there's a time and place for everything. You're not going to tell a person pointing a gun at you to kindly put the gun on the ground. Nevertheless, you get the point i hope. Fast forward to the Hill incident. The officer approaches Hill and hits his window. Was it too hard or too many times? Who knows and who cares. What is important is the perception of the suspect who happens to be Hill. What if the officer said, I'm sorry that wasn't my intention. I can understand how you feel that way. It won't happen again? Sounds weak and corny but think about how that may have played out. Instead, the cop gets into verbal judo with Hill. Point being the officer missed the opportunity to fe escalate things immediately. Whether it would have been effective who knows. Then Hill rolled up the window after the officer received his license and registration. At that point couldn't the officer just proceed to his patrol car? I say yes yes and more yes. I hear you are running late. I'll be as quick is possible because I know your time is valuable. Instead, he chose to engage in a pissng contest over the window. Legally, the officer is correct. Walking to his patrol car would have made the rolled up window no security threat. Instead the officer engaged, demanded, ordered, and acted. All was very preventable. In short, the officers upped the tension, engaged in improper and unnecessary banter which led to an avoidable use of force situation. Does that lessen what Hill did? No. Did Hill contribute to what happened? Yes yes and more yes. Hope that helps give another perspective to others.

Sorry, I'm not wrong with my post. I don't disagree with the rest of what you said though.

Policing isn't that simplistic. There's always a gray area sort of speak. The best officers use good judgement, deescalate situations and people, and use discretion well. The officers did none of this. Officers are not robots. Officers make decisions every day on what laws to enforce, how to enforce them, how they interact with suspects, and what level of force if any is appropriate. When you watch the video it's almost impossible to conclude the police officers dealt with the incident professionally, appropriately, and according to training. It was a police failure on many levels despite Hill committing a motor vehicle violation. Yes a fic#ing traffic violation. Hill isn't the first person not to listen to the police. Any comments on the officer grabbing Hill by the neck while he's cuffed and being watched and or restrained by a fellow officer? You gonna try to defend that too.

All of this is true. Obviously, that didn't happen. As a result, you have to analyze to police officers demeanor, verbal skills, judgements, and actions. They failed on almost every level from a law enforcement perspective. This will make a good academy training video on what not to do and how not to act. What people fail to realize is police deal with this kind of behavior and attitude daily. Hill behavior although wrong is very tepid compared to many other suspects the police deal with. It's clear the officers lost their cool and wanted a confrontation. The escalated the incident so they could take care of business. All in the name of officer safety as an out. I'm convinced that no officer involved felt threatened, scared, or intimidated by Hill. No doubt in my mind they were pissed off at him. They found their reason to take action. Of course, it's my opinion.

How can you say the cops did their job? Then in the same breath say they escalated the situation and dragged him out of the car too early. Not to mention the police officer grabbing a standing cuffed Hill around the neck while his partner is restraining him. You might want to reconsider if you think the cops did their job. Or at least qualify it with they did a poor job. Disagree strongly. Analyse the police conduct with an open mind. There's no way any reasonable person that knows policing can conclude the officers were verbally effective, deescalated the situation, used sound judgement, and used appropriate use of force. This was a whiff by the police. 101 policing gets a D grade.

Hill's actions contributed to the whole situation. No way anyone can say otherwise. However, Hill's actions by police standards is not out of the ordinary. They deal with non compliant, rude, and disrespectful people daily. It's what they do. The equally disturbing or perhaps more so is the police behavior, attitude, and actions. Totally unacceptable and very poor policing. Folks, the two can be true. It doesn't have to be an either or here like many want to do.

The point is this: the officers put themselves in a situation where they were justified in physically removing him from the vehicle. Of course so did Hill. I contend the officers were itching and looking for any reason to show Hill who's in charge, who is the boss. They felt disrespected and they wanted some blue justice. Why do I think that? The police had every opportunity to afford the whole situation. When have them the docs they could have simply walked back to the patrol car, complete their, and give citations. Who cares if his window was up or down? Instead, the police officers chose to stay next to the vehicle and engage Hill, demand that the window be down instead of going to their vehicle. They weren't having any kind of de-escalating here. They were aggressive and looking for a reason to act physically. They were going so that disrespectful black man a lesson. Listen and respect the cops or else. Listen to what they told him. It backs up this theory. It gets worse as Hill is cuffed and standing next to an officer. He's lagging to sit down and a second officer grabs Hill around the neck to assist him to sit down Screams at him about surgery on his eyes. The whole incident is very poor policing from the start. The was a simple give the citation and go. Instead, they Miami police officers inappropriately engaged in an unnecessary pissing contest with the piece of crap Hill. Their emotions and muchismo get the best of them. They further escalated the situation which is a complete blunder by any police officer standards.

He wasn't arguing with the police. He was trying to explain himself and the officer wasn't hearing it. Amazes me that so many are defending the police officers conduct, actions, and decisions. It was a failure from the jump.

I'm glad you don't because your thinking is flawed and dangerous. Watch the video. Hill rolled down the window and the two officers were looking into the car yelling at Hill. Then they opened the door and yanked him out. They weren't going to play that game was one of the officers said.

All the officer had to do was proceed to his vehicle once Hill handed him the required docs. Hill even told the officer give me the ticket so I can go. The window rolled up shouldn't have been a safety issue whatsoever. It became an issue because the officer created the safety. He had every opportunity to proceed to his patrol vehicle. This action would have deescalated the situation immediately. The officer was itching for a confrontation. He escalated the situation without a doubt. This was never about officer safety. I firmly believe that. That the ultimate out for the officers which is difficult to combat. IMHO, this was about the officers wielding their authority. There words and actions absolutely support this thesis. Their tactics in approaching the window was anything but tactical. It was two police thugs getting revenge and a disrespectful thug. Not to mention the officer who grabs a cuffed Hill around the neck with being restrained by another officer. Come man. This who incident smells like shi! and that includes the police behavior and actions. I hope you don't act in a similar fashion while in duty. Your safety always sound be your number one priority. IMHO, that's not what happened in the Hill incident.

Lots of assumptions there.