Generic_Bills_Fan

Is it even high risk if you’re going to err on the side of overthrows like we were doing? Throwing short passes in a collapsing pocket is just as dangerous if not more so. I mean if we were talking about jump balls down the field that’s a different story, but our receivers were winning one on ones down the sideline all game long

I didn’t realize this was sarcasm at first and almost went off haha. People are carrying over their criticism from previous games and it just isn’t relevant to this Miami game imo. If you’ve got a guy in single coverage with two steps on his man, you throw him the ball every single time. I don’t care what team/qb you’re talking about. What are the odds you put together 60 yards of dink and dunk plays against that Miami front 7 compared to the odds of hitting a pass like that. that’s a presnap read/automatic throw every time and Miami was giving that to us all game…we just didn’t hit on enough of them to make it comfortable. Game plan wise that was a 20+ point win but the execution was terrible with drops/overthrows/receivers losing the ball in the air/receivers getting hit with the ball and it getting picked. Things could’ve gone wrong on underneath throws just as easily and the reward is nowhere near as high

You’ll probably get a lot of eye rolls on this one because nobody wants to give division rivals any credit but there’s definitely truth to it. Miami and pit are both real tough defenses up front and people were talkin like either opponent would’ve been a walk in the park: Miami is loaded with talent on the defensive side they have just been underperforming in the secondary most of the year despite Kohou lookin like a steal. Xavien Howard played most of the season banged up chiefs whole front 7 is pretty much one guy…miamis got 3 guys that can hurt you rushing the passer

Certainly not from that game alone. Up until this one he’s been pretty much lights out in the playoffs too so I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I really think pick 1 was on John brown, pick 2 was a ‘good’ defensive play (questionably pi). He’s gotta be careful with those fumbles close to his own end zone though that’s my big complaint. If he wants to take a single coverage shot 60 yards downfield I don’t have any problem with that because at worst that flips the field I don’t think blowing out Miami yesterday would’ve reasonably meant anything in relation to the game next week. It honestly might be better that they had to gut it out. Miami might have given us some looks early that cincy could’ve thrown at us. We seemed to really be getting after cincy with our offensive line on that one drive so I think it’s going to be a completely different game.

Tampa loss was BS…this whole don’t throw flags down the stretch or in playoff games needs to end. Diggs got straight up tackled in the end zone while the ball was in the air

Haha imagine what the jokes would’ve been if they lost though…if they win next week no one will care about this game cincy easily could’ve lost their game as well

Hard to say they were ready for it when we were winning the go routes nearly every time. If you’re talking about the scramble part specifically then sure lol Idk maybe it’s just me but 9 times out of 10 with that exact gameplan against that exact defense we probably score 50+. Davis/diggs got behind the defense seemingly all day we just missed the connection by inches quite a few times

I don’t see it honestly…especially with their oline banged up. At worst it’s 50/50 and I’d lean towards the home team. On this board we have made it a habit to give our division opponents absolutely zero credit but Miami has a bunch of talent in the front 7. I don’t think any other team could or would emulate Miami’s gameplan from yesterday. It was literally the opposite of how I’d play the bills but their only chance was if they forced some turnovers and we were off on the deep throws Idk what it was but that sun heading to the west end zone seemed to be messin up everybody…couple uncharacteristic drops from Miami headed that way and shakir dropped a ball that hit him straight between the numbers and brown lost that ball in the air that ended up getting picked if you made that exact game a night game I’m curious what the score would’ve been 😂

Yea I’m confused why people are assuming we would’ve lost that game…we were steamrolling their defensive line and their offensive line was holding for dear life on the other side

Seems like Miami was counting on us not looking deep because they were hoping josh doesn’t like getting criticized on bills message boards 😂. Their gameplan just makes no sense to me

I don’t really understand what’s going on on these boards haha I’m all for anyone criticizing whoever…it is a message board after all…but this notion that Allen has a clean pocket and open throwing lanes to wide open guys underneath on every play is absurd. Especially yesterday. and even if he did, every qb in the league is going to take the wide open go route over the wide open dumpoff to a rb. It was just such a bizarre gameplan from Miami on defense that I think people just aren’t wrapping their heads around it lol I honestly hope the chiefs and bengals try to imitate that. Miami traded probably 60 free points if we could connect on routine plays for a couple turnovers. With the identical gameplan from the offense we easily could’ve won that game 50+ to 30+ . Miami was just selling out for the turnovers and despite just about everything going right for them they still gave up 34 and lost

That early catch to diggs was a quick slant where he got jammed and was completely off balance and came down with it still. They were jamming the heck out of short routes all game long. That deep 3rd and 1 to shakir Knox ran a 2 yard under route and he legit got tossed 5 yards back into the line of scrimmage lol. Not trying to say you’re wrong about previous games necessarily…I was not at any of the other games to compare. but in this one the go routes were there all game long we just did not connect on enough of them to win comfortably. Josh easily could’ve gone for 500+ passing yards with 5-6 tds with that gameplan even with the 7 sacks/3 turnovers. just a little bit off on so many plays.

Miami was all over the short routes in this one…that was their whole gameplan. Give us the deep long developing stuff so they can send the house and it becomes a race between our outside receivers beating the jam and their pass rush. Spreading the field with deep routes was the right call whether fans like it or not.

Idk how many times I can say that about this specific game lol Miami was giving us the deep throws and jamming the underneath stuff hard to try to get their pass rush home. Thank goodness fans don’t call the game. not trying to tell people Dorsey always calls a great game and josh has certainly gone deep in the past when it wasn’t always warranted, in this particular game it was warranted though 😁

I had a great view of this play from my seat. Brown was open he just lost the ball in the sun and stopped his route. Xavien Howard was completely turned around and was able to make the play because brown was lost. it’s all hindsight really…I’m sure he has completed tds to clearout routes before and nobody cares because it worked. Didn’t strike me as a bad decision at all this ‘hero ball’ complaint is getting trite at this point. Apparently any throw that’s not a checkdown is hero ball now. When the defense is jamming everybody and not giving safety help to the outside receivers you’re going to be throwing deep a lot I don’t care who your qb is. there weren’t really any hero ball plays this game…maybe that cross field bomb to diggs that ended up being an absolute perfect throw somehow he just couldn’t come down with it. The fumble was definitely on josh though.

We continued to run rather ineffectively in the second half…mostly 1 or 2 yard gains. I can understand why people don’t like it because a lot of times in the past josh got deep ball happy when it wasn’t really warranted but that was the right gameplan yesterday.

I just don’t see how that applies to yesterday but you could certainly say that about other games I’m sure. If your receiver can run straight by the defender outside the numbers you throw it to him lol. It’s as simple as that. Miami was bringing the house and covering man to man. No imagination necessary just gotta beat your guy and the sideline is what they were leaving open. We had to hit on a couple more of those easy pitch and catches to make that game more comfortable and we just failed to do so. Most games teams take away the deep stuff to make us nickel and dime them down the field but Miami did the complete opposite. We just executed the gameplan to beat what Miami was doing pretty poorly. Miami had to jam in single coverage/blitz a lot as a huge underdog to try to generate sacks and turnovers and they were pretty lucky to not lose by more imo. Should’ve been an easy cover even with the three turnovers we just missed out on a ton of additional points.

I think it’s a context thing…we think our team gives up more without really knowing how other teams are doing in that regard. the bengals converted a bunch of 3rd and longs against the ravens last night

He missed those two deep shots to Davis in a row where he was wide open both times/ diggs on the first play / missed a wide open shakir over the middle late in the game but yea I don’t blame him for the brown ball at all. I was sure that was a td when it was in the air then it looked like brown ran the wrong route. there were a few plays early on where receivers had to dive to catch balls when they could’ve been hit in stride. I do agree though, outside of the fumble I really didn’t have any problem with the decision making or the playcalling. Miami was really aggressive on defense which is going to yield some turnovers but they were lucky to not give up another 20+ points. They weren’t really giving up anything short over the middle and they were stuffing the run in the second half I think people are trying to fit this game into the narrative they previously had about the bills offense when it really doesn’t fit imo. Those balls down the sideline is what the dolphins defense was giving us…they weren’t forced throws at all. people are talkin about those deep throws like they were 50/50 balls but the receivers were wide open on the vast majority of them. There was one insane throw to diggs across the whole field that somehow hit him right in the hands but other than that it was all receivers who beat their man

No qb in the league is going to pass up outside receivers in single coverage that get multiple steps on their defender lol I just don’t understand what people think they saw yesterday. anyone would make those throws every single time. we just barely hit enough of them yesterday when we should’ve connected quite a few more times. Josh’s accuracy didn’t seem great. If we hit two more of those which we very well should have, that’s an easy cover even with the turnovers and we would’ve outgained them about 600-300 (gave them a few deep ball completions because they dropped a few also)

This honestly feels like the twilight zone around here haha…idk how Dorsey is getting any blame for this game…i don’t really get how Josh’s decision making is getting blame either.. he didn’t have a great game but it looked like accuracy issues to me. Early on he threw some not great balls to receivers that could’ve gotten a ton of rac with a better throw. He also missed a bunch of routine deep ball tds and shakir wide open over the middle late in the game. If Miami is giving you a free td down the sideline on every play though because they want to jam up the middle of the field , you go for it. Maybe it’s because I was at the game and it looked different on tv idk, but those deep shots he was taking were wiiide open tds/huge gains 90% of the time. this wasn’t him trying to laser balls into double coverage or anything like that which we have seen in the past. we had two tds overturned by inches, shakir with a huge 50 yard drop, josh overthrowing a bunch of deep ball tds. Miami dodged a ton of bullets. They probably should’ve lost this game like 50+ to 38(they had some big plays dropped too) even with those turnovers that's kind of how it goes when you’re selling out to blitz on most plays and jamming all the receivers…you’re going to come up with some big defensive plays but you’re gonna get scored on a lot. They’re lucky it wasn’t more

Should’ve dropped 50+ on them yesterday…people are talking like josh was just winging the ball deep into triple coverage. Nearly all of those deep balls were open for tds im all for criticizing him when he deserves it but the deep shots in single coverage was what the defense was giving us this game. Shakir dropped an easy one, diggs was wide open for a td the first play of the game, Davis back to back on that late series had open tds…the list goes on. Hit one more of those and the game is never that close even with the turnovers it was really a high variance defense I would say…not a high variance offense. Miami was going for broke every play and they dodged a ton of bullets.

some of it was special teams also…2 of the dolphins fg drives started on the 40 after kickoffs. that Beasley int was just bad luck imo and it gave Miami an extra short field before halftime when they shouldn’t have seen the ball again. I just don’t get the people saying ‘just throw it underneath’ because that Beasley play is how the underneath receivers were being covered for most of the game. Miami seemed to be getting away with murder holding wise from where I was sitting…the underneath receivers were getting absolutely mugged and it looked like the defense was flooding the middle. Davis/diggs were beating the jam and the sidelines were the place to attack

They were also jamming all the receivers (cough cough holding) and giving the corners little to no help over the top. We had the right gameplan to win just one very unlucky turnover(ironically on a short throw) and that fumble td. People just don’t like it because we’ve thrown deep when we didn’t really need to in prior games so they’re not seeing this one objectively Absolutely no one will try to duplicate this dolphins game plan…they had to go for broke because they were such a big underdog. If we hit on a couple more of those wide open deep balls, we probably drop 60 that game. I don’t think anyone could duplicate it even if they wanted to…Miami has much better pass rushers than cincy or kc currently.

This complaint after the dolphins game baffles me but I’d agree with it in some prior games…he threw maybe one risky low percentage deep pass that ironically hit diggs right in the hands. Everyone else was open(not sure what happened on the brown play but he definitely had a step then seemed to run the wrong route)…the dolphins were jamming everyone/flooding the middle and trying to single cover the outside receivers. they were daring us to go deep and just hoping josh couldn’t connect on the throws or the pass rush would get home. Coverage was tight on a lot of the underneath throws