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I mentioned a bunch of guys not named those lmao. Do you see Sanders and read Coates? Can you not show me a team that has done better? Because you keep saying anyone and then not showing anyone.

Are you kidding? Find another team that has DRAFTED as many good NFL WR's as the Steelers over the last 14 years. Especially with a franchise QB. Pats couldn't do it. They drafted 12 WR's over that time period. Brandon Tate - 3rd round. Cut year two. Taylor Price - 3rd round. Out of the league year two. Aaron Dobson - 2nd round - Out of the league year three. Josh Boyce - 4th round - Out of the league year two. Jeremy Gallon - 7th round - Didn't make the team. Jeremy Ebert - 7th round - Didn't make the team. Devin Lucien - 7th round - Didn't make the team. Malcolm Mitchell - 4th round - Out of the league after year one. Braxton Berrios - 6th round - Didn't record a stat with the Pats, cut year two. N'Keal Harry - 1st round - bust, traded year 3 for a 7th rounder. Tre Nixon - 7th round - Didn't make the team. Tyquan Thornton - 2nd round - First season with 242 yards. You won't find another team that has drafted WR's as good as Wallace, Sanders, Brown, Bryant, Juju, Washington, Johnson, Claypool, Pickens over the last decade.

3 of the last 5. Marty B was sick until he flamed out for off the field stuff. More to the point, the Steelers recognized that spending higher picks consistently on WR's maximized their QB's ability much better than RB's. Obviously some don't work out, but that's true of every position. But because they did so, they never had to break the bank for WR2/3's because they had a churning stable.

Hyde and Von Miller haven't played in like 2 months dude.

No. Pittsburgh model. Mike Wallace in the third in 2009. Emmanuel Sanders in the third in 2010. Antonio Brown in the sixth in 2010. Markus Wheaton in the third in 2013. Marty Bryant in the fourth in 2014. Sammie Coates in the third in 2015. Juju in the second in 2017. James Washington in the third in 2018. Diontae Johnson in the third in 2019. Claypool in the second in 2020. Pickens in the second in 2022. Do you know why they always have a great WR group? Because they draft the ***** out of them.

Every other.

I watch FTF and it's kinda entertaining but if you're putting any credence in their "takes," you're probably also getting your political info from comedians.

Fair enough. Do you think Fields in that system can be? Because I don't.

2 actually.

Kaep was out of the league 3 years later. Lamar went from MVP to pending FA. You can't sit here in one breath saying that Lamar will struggle outside of Roman's system (when Lamar has already had two pretty mediocre years) and then in the other say that he's a better option than Dak. If you truly believe that the best they can get out of Lamar is in Greg Roman's system as the 28th or 32nd passing offense, then you cannot think he's more valuable than Dak. You also said they should trade Lamar and start over at the beginning of the topic! They aren't worthless but I wouldn't say they had all the answers when it came to winning Superbowls either.

How could a Bills fan say this? We have watched our franchise change over night because of one single player. We weren't ass every year because of Chan or Jauron or Chris Kelsay or Dareus. We were trash because we didn't have a franchise QB. Does that mean that every team needs to rebuild until they get a Mahomes or an Allen? No, of course not. But how about a guy like Dak? Or Kirk Cousins? Guys that can win games with their arm. That aren't instant losers if they have to throw 40x a game. What these perennial bad teams should figure out is if their young QB can be "the guy" worth the second contract. Hiring Greg Roman screws that up. Even you yourself are sitting here saying that Lamar NEEDS Roman's system. I made this post below. This is what will happen. Horseshoes. Hand grenades.

Almost happened. lmao. I actually wanted to quote you earlier. GRo has never developed a QB long-term or won a Superbowl so you don't have to worry about either!

I think they need to make the choice of "Is Justin Fields capable of running an NFL offense?" If the answer is "we don't know," then you run an NFL offense and see what happens. If the answer is "no," then you dump his ass and draft Bryce Young or whoever. Skip the entire Roman option entirely. Just a waste of time.

The year is 2025. Justin Fields has throw for 3300 yards 22 TD's and 12 INT's the last two year in Greg Roman's system. Rushes for 700 yards and 6 TD's. The Bears win 10 games each year, making the playoffs once and losing in the Wild Card round. Fields wants top 5 QB money. Contract negotiations start breaking down (it's the system, his numbers aren't that impressive etc etc.) TBD makes the topic. "Should the Bears pay Fields?" And around and around we go on the Greg Roman carousel.

and GRo will make him work in the short-term, not the long-term. We won more games with Tuh than Josh their first two years starting. And yet, making Tyrod "work" wasn't the answer to put the Bills in position to win a Super Bowl. Do you think Josh would have developed as much as he has as a passer with GRo instead of Daboll?

He does the opposite. He gets bad QB's paid.

Okay. My end goal would be trying to get a franchise QB. GRo runs the wrong offense for that (and I have a tremendous respect for him). If I hire an OC, I want one who is gonna have our young QB chucking it. I want him to trying to learn and run an NFL caliber offense. Not hiding behind a run scheme that will get its doors blown off in wild card weekend by a real franchise QB. Josh Allen wouldn't be Josh Allen today if he had GRo instead of Daboll. We may have won more games in 18-19, but he wouldn't be the same player. Daboll made him go out there with empty backfields and make checks like a true NFL QB. See above. Because now it ends with him fired (again) and a QB who has massive question marks around paying (again.)

Maybe? It also may be a product of his own ability. For all we know, he sucks at designing a passer attack as much as his QB's have sucked at executing one. The guy simply has not proven he can do it. That's all. He runs the same offense everywhere he goes. He takes great runners and crummy passers and runs a run-frist offense. He's never run a pass first offense. He's never even run a balanced offense (compared to his NFL peers.) What proof do you have he can run this lethal balanced attack with a great QB? In fact, our only example of a QB who flourished AFTER Roman was Smith and he was in a more balanced system (obviously he had Andy Reid though).

Come on bro. Look at Greg Roman's history. 10 years as a coordinator. 1 year with passing attempts more than 28th in the league. Sounds like just the guy Josh Allen and Stefon Diggs want.

Ooooooooooooooookay gl lil bro.

They were just as run heavy as they were everywhere else. Kaep's first year as the starter. 11th offense in points, 3 in rushing yards, 30 in passing yards. Even looking at Alex SMith (who sneaky may be the best passer of all the QB's Roman ever worked with). 11th offense in PPG, 8th in rushing yards, 3rd in rushing TD's, 29 in passing yards. I contend it's the same offense everywhere he goes. He is a master at taking elite mobile QB's and good RB's and producing points/yards on the ground in a league that's built to pass. I'm not sure he has proven to be able to build any other offense. See above.

Have we ever seen Roman do this?

What is the end goal with that move? #1 running offense, 25th passing offense and sneak into the Wild Card? I 100% agree that Greg is the best OC out there for a mobile QB who is limited as a passer. But at this point, he has never developed a QB into a better passer. So besides being a means to overcompensating for a less than stellar passing game, I'm not sure he's the guy who is going to develop your young QB into anything more.

Dabs for sure. One of the worst teams in the NFL. Worst team in the playoffs. First year HC. Easy.

PFF is good now!