Mikie2times

So if a team changes to having good ownership that’s all you need? A decent owner puts you in a better position to get the right people but if you don’t do so it won’t matter and that process isn’t an exact science. With Campbell it would be for nothing.

We can argue all day about who had the better year, but if you take away Josh we likely have a bottom 20 offense and finish with 7 wins or less. Ravens are still a wild card team. Nobody has equaled more wins by himself than Allen this year. The AP vote just reinforces that.

That's why Allen is the MVP

The very best player this iteration has acquired outside of Josh is Diggs. After that, maybe Taron or Hyde. These guys have been really good for us but that is the VERY best. In his last draft, Whaley targeted White, Dawkins, and Milano. I would argue his final draft was better than any 2 drafts combined, maybe even 3 that we have seen since. That's not to say I'm advocating for somebody like Whaley. But the current regime does not have a clear history of elite talent acquisition. They have got a lot of + steady eddies. But it's not surprising we are largely void of top 100 lists, Pro Bowl players, and All Pro's. We don't have them.

I thought his kneeling bit in KC was attention seeking and I said as much back then.

The answer was the Ravens, but the MVP things has put a little chip on the fan shoulder. F um.

Teams don't build rosters the same way. We make a very intentional effort to sign our B+ drafted talent, which in turn prevents us from other methods of acquisition. If you're asking me to show you 5+ teams that have acquired half a dozen B+ level players the last 7 years sure = SF, DAL, PHIL, KAN, BAL, DET. All have better rosters than us and the list is likely longer, I just don't want to get too deep in the weeds. Our roster is not bad, its is probably somewhere around the 7-10 range, but it is largely void any A talent outside Josh and that really hurts deeper in the year. The list below is all pro bowl votes excluding skilled positions. So it's a big roster. Way larger than even the normal pro bowl voting, over 100 players per year. 2021-2023

I will add, I would have probably given Lamar first team AP and Josh MVP. You can make an argument that one had the better season and the other was the most valuable player in the league. I think that is the right argument to be honest.

I have a little horse in the race for this thought process. Bovada is not putting up a line they don't think is accurate. They have it it at -220 for Lamar. So about 65% implied odds. Which makes sense with the AP history. But with that, Allen closing the year at -200 or better and still losing would be just as unprecedented as anything else. So to say he can't win now just based on the 1st team AP always winning, well, I don't think anybody knows right now and I would just throw out the historical info. I would give Lamar 60% likelihood or so, but this thing is not locked up. Your scenario is absolutely possible.

Watson the day after surgery trying to stay injured forever

Is Dawkins the #1 or #2 tackle in the NFL? Is Brown?

He played well in 3 of his first 13 games in that image. Time has clouded your judgement.

I grew up watching him just like you did. He had an atrocious start to his career, got better later, had some excellent games. All said, fair below his regular season pedigree. He literally has as many games he was directly responsible for losing as winning. Playoff hero, he is not. So what is Allens record vs Mahomes in the playoffs? Does that tell the whole story for that comparison?

Ok, he was 40 TD and 25 INT his whole career and he was .500 , let me rip my panties off

After 7 seasons he had 18 TD and 15 INT's in the playoffs. His Super Bowl Year he had 3 TD's and 7 INT's. His first 6 years they went 3-6 losing his first playoff game 4 times. Did he get it together later? Sur, somewhat. Never even close to his regular season level.

I think Brown is a fringe all pro, but not at all surprised he didn't get it. Taron is a top 3 Nickle, Cook is not an All Pro back, should have been a Pro Bowl back and maybe the same applies to Benford. Those DB's stats mean little to me without context of coverage being played. All in all I think this team has very limited high end talent which is what the All Pro team specifically is.

Peyton was one of the worst playoff QB's of all time so I see the similarities.

Part of what you need to troll somebody is somebody who cares. You got the wrong person.

Says 9 post Ravens troll

QB's get heavily penalized for INT's and don't get a lot of credit for rushing production Should have a real shot next year with more awareness.

All Pro's are the best one or two at that position in the league. We do not have any players outside of Taron who are the best one or two players at the position. It's not a conspiracy.

Who?

It's the 2nd one

Stats did matter last year. But no year in NFL history has QB not been able to win it on the merit of his passing stats alone. That isn't fair in Bills fans eyes, but it's been consistent. These are the updated odds from an offshore book Those didn't update I guess, but I just checked Bovada and sure enough

Odds are updating to be implied at about 65%. Still the favorite, but he's dropping for sure.