Mikie2times

Its not really "Disgusting". This has been debated to nauseous levels. A path exists to him being even more Marty than Marty. Marty never had Josh Allen. You can choose to acknowledge that or not. The reasons why have been debated a million times. Not getting into it again at this point.

Some valid ones ahead of him, but I can't get on board with Kevin Stefanski. Further, you can certainly make arguments against several others. Also depends on how its being measured. X's and O's and innovation, he would not be in my top 10. Intangibles, he certainly would be. More likely top 5 if not top 3.

It's pretty complicated. Israel doesn't have impunity to act at the moment (from what it would appear). The US has made it pretty clear they don't want this to proceed further. They have a great deal of pride and have been embarrassed over this. If true likely the Nuclear weapon version of nana nana boo boo.

What are they going to show? Some Persians sipping Mai Tai's 😆

You're missing the point. THIS ENTIRE SITUATION IS ABOUT TRUMP. That is the problem I have with Trump.

Sorry captain, the standard set by truth teller is completely obliterated and that golden shower analogy doesn't really hit home (unless it's your home). The White House authenticated it was a real story. To what level remains to be seen. Do you believe those trucks coming and going from the Nuclear facilities were just bringing concrete? You might be right on this. We really don't know, but the president is not right. Its been a couple days and his need for parading himself around before knowing anything is unraveling. Any sensible person would have simply said the mission was a success, we believe the nuclear threat is contained, and our intelligence community will be working hard in the coming days to verify those findings. Instead he chose, obliterated, no longer functional, and completely destroyed. It's the difference between qualified and unqualified, presidential and pedestrian. He was so eager to pat his back he couldn't even wait a few days. I would be more inclined to agree with you if the white house didn't already acknowledge it and it being top secret. Making up as they go is not what this is. It could be incorrect? Sure, Trump could do his best to ensure that is the perception? That's a certainty.

So the white house itself validated that these findings did in fact occur and it was labeled as top secret. Curious, if I say something or if a source just goes rogue with information that is not true does that get marked as top secret as well? "This alleged assessment is flat-out wrong and was classified as 'top secret' but was still leaked to CNN by an anonymous, low-level loser in the intelligence community," White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt told CNN in response to the outlet's reporting. "The leaking of this alleged assessment is a clear attempt to demean President Trump, and discredit the brave fighter pilots who conducted a perfectly executed mission to obliterate Iran's nuclear program," Leavitt added. "Everyone knows what happens when you drop fourteen 30,000 pound bombs perfectly on their targets: total obliteration."

You're posting on your world knowledge and I'm posting on my Trump-centric emotions? When people disagree with Trump they have TDS and when you guys post whatever non stop thread about liberals you do so rationally without the seeming obsession you have? Trump is not an honest person, I expect dishonest people to do dishonest things, betting on dishonest people doing dishonest things is not hard.

You think the they didn't remove the uranium with the time they had? That's just one path. Watching the selective paranoia and conspiracy theories of you guys is incredibly fascinating. Trump says, DESTROYED. Then all of you follow, DESTROYED, no chance! Everything else has to be fake news. Meanwhile you will question why somebody scratched themselves so long as an inbred on X posts about it.

Maybe? I'm not a big Joe supporter, Hunter Biden is meaningless to me along with CNN. For the president to keep stating that the Nuclear program has been destroyed is a lie. I know it's a lie because it would be impossible to verify such a claim in the time it took him to make it. Still no responses in this thread past a flag and X reposts like usual. Between you and Carolina, you have the least engaged content on this forum and do so over and over and over. Has to be a sign of strength in your personal life. I never said they would use it, I said they would keep pursuing it and have the means to do so. But if this is really true, then what was this over?

The president saying 5 seconds after it happened: "have been completely and totally obliterated." But CNN is the misinformation here? I guarantee the Iranian ability to generate Nuclear weapons is still present and the following months will prove that. It might only take days. If I'm wrong I will never post in the PPP forum again. How confident are you?

Trump knows probably more than any politician in the history of this country, what is real doesn't matter, it just matters what people think is real. The average American has no clue how fragile this still is. Most are perfectly fine joining him for those victory laps. Now reports are coming out stating US intelligence believes Iran's nuclear capability is very much intact. So what happens next? We have already stated they can't have a nuclear bomb, we used military force to prevent it. Israel has said they can't have it and if they pursue it again they will intervene again.

We disagree somewhat here, but appreciate the good conversation and not getting crappy with it.

If the Iranian people overthrow the regime I will become more bullish over these actions making a difference. Khomeini is prepping his son to take over. His internal network historically has been enough to hold back the Iranian people. While many are pro west, the old guard has been hard to make any progress with. Seeing Trump say today that he doesn't want a regime change is disappointing. I know why he said and I don't think he believes it, he wants stability, but still, disappointing. Certainly part of the cease fire agreement, it had to be. Regardless, can we trust Khomeini or Netanyahu? No. Not as far as you could throw them. What happens if the ceasefire doesn't hold? If it doesn't the real threats haven't even started. That was always the risk of handling things this way. It's the 1st quarter at this point. A lot of time to see what this ultimately results in. Said only the people doing the bombing. Iraq has WMD's right? No experts have said they were as close as what was presented.

Israel has been fighting, based on your definition of fighting, since 1948. Never in that time have the defied the United States in having a direct military operation in Iran. What don't you understand about that?

You're painting this like the US has no control over what Israel does. Yet for the entire existence of Israel, despite wanting to attack Iran for most of it, they didn't do so until now. All I had to do was use nearly 80 years of Israeli and Iran interactions to come to such a conclusion. So lets throw in your version for consideration, it still results in Israel thinking Trump is a weak, dumb, or both. No other outcomes. Your version means Israel held the strongest military power in the world hostage and forced our hand. Then even got us to get involved. That would be even more of a schooling than the version I laid out. Logic isn't your friend, friend.

It's right in front of your face. Are we supposed to believe that Netanyahu was not aware of this 60 day deal and that it was just a coincidence Israel attacked on day 61 with an operation that clearly took extensive time and planning? Perhaps long enough to date back to Trumps first term? Further do you think Netanyahu was not aware at how limited Iran would be in negotiating with Trump/US on this subject? It was a simple check mate from a smarter leader. Hell, he even pulled us into it. You would better served arguing that it was all planned by both of them the whole time.

So what will allow that to happen now? Regime is still in place. Pursuit of Nuclear capability will still happen. Region will still be engulfed in holy wars as it has for nearly its entire existence. What exactly was accomplished again? A temporary slowdown in Irans nuclear capability?

Since its founding in 1948, Israel has faced near continuous hostility or tension with neighbors and regional actors, including multiple wars and ongoing threats from non-state groups like Hezbollah and Hamas. Israel and Iran have never engaged in a direct, multi-week military conflict. Despite years of mutual hostility, Israel and Iran have mostly fought through proxies (e.g., Hezbollah in Lebanon, militias in Syria). As of now, no prolonged, direct, declared war has occurred between the two. Previous U.S. administrations blocked or restrained Israeli military action against Iran. The U.S. has consistently pressured Israel to avoid attacking Iran directly, especially when it might trigger regional war or undermine diplomatic efforts like the JCPOA. Netanyahu has long pushed for action against Iran’s nuclear program for over a decade, Netanyahu has publicly called Iran the greatest threat to Israel and advocated military preparedness. Netanyahu played Trump and will do so again. He knew to a certainty Iran wouldn't negotiate out of this. He leveraged Trumps fake powers of negotiation to get a US approved military action against Iran. Something he wasn't able to do before. Then for the cherry he pulled in the US military to do his bidding. Now we celebrate Trump? Please. This is the story teller Trump doing what he does. He got played by a more intelligent regime plan and simple.

Things started escalating when the conflict between Palestine and Israel started. Which has been going on for longer than either of us have been alive. When do you expect Israel to not have issues or conflict in the region? It's a Jewish state in the center of the most radical Muslims in the world. A holy war will always be going on. Did we just help sponsor Israel in that fight under false pretenses? We absolutely did. Now I get we want say all that we accomplished in doing so. But here is the reality. A liberal and free Iran still doesn't exist. Khomeini is still in power. His succession plan is still in place. All the actors that lead to this exact place are still there and in all likelihood an Iranian nuclear program will keep going.

What did I say that you would disagree with? In this direct of way? No it doesn't. Nothing you posted here involves a direct military effort against Iran as we saw the last two weeks.

He wasn't a critical component in why this even started? Israel was not going to attack Iran without US knowledge and agreement. Trump gave that agreement in the form of his 60 day deadline to Iran. It's not some huge coincidence they attacked Iran day 61. It's pretty clear that was part of the Trump and Netanyahu agreement. Give me 60 days to negotiate and if it doesn't work out you can proceed. It take absolutely zero leaps of logic or thought to see how that played out. So why again didn't it play out this way with Grandpa Joe? Probably because he wasn't dumb enough to give Netanyahu a green light if he couldn't negotiate an agreement. We just let one foreign country attack another under false pretenses. Joined that countries bidding and now here we are. Why are we celebrating again?

Evidence of what? They were trying to build a bomb. Nobody would dispute that. Why did Isreal choose not to attack until now? What is different right now (hint, it's not progress with a nuclear weapon).

What part isn't verifiable by Trump himself?