Meatloaf63

Nope, it all starts with the offensive line. If it doesn’t give adequate protection especially in critical situations then everything becomes an issue after that. What did Zay, Benjamin do after they left here? Allen is still young and learning, but he is far from the problem here. 23 and learning on the job being compared to qb’s that have far more experience or far better weapons. The impatience around her is laughable. If he hadn’t improved since last year you might have a case, but he has shown steady improvement since his first game and that’s what we want and should expect. If Watson and the Texans has all the improper officiating calls go against them we wouldn’t be having this conversation. And that’s not an excuse, just the truth. Next year with most of the offense returning with another year in the system and hopefully some added talent he should make marked improvement again. If not, then you can start to B word. Until then your expectations are ridiculous for a young qb who played Junior college ball and Wyoming and was expected to sit out his first year....

Your point is crap, it’s not the only reason, but it is part of the reason. I could call out several Texan holds each one may have stopped the game from going to overtime.

He can’t, he’s a clown...

Wrong, the rules states you can’t make a forward pass after a change in possession. It is the intent that a forward pass after change of possession is illegal and it also states it is a safety. You can choose to ignore the rules, but the rule is black and white, He did not by the rule give himself up, no argument there, he did commit an illegal forward pass in the end zone, black and white rule there too. The only by the rule out come is a safety. The player was lazy and didn’t follow the written and accepted rules. There is no other interpretation. You don’t get to pick and choose which rules you want to follow, you have to change them in order for that. It’s amazing people can’t understand this, or what door that opens if that’s truly how the game rules are to be enforced.

What other rules would you like to ignore? Having a team moved out of field goal position on a blind side block that wasn’t a blind side block In reality is that ok? Ignoring the play clock that allows a drive continue for the game winning points is that ok? Just want to know where your line is???

In the end we know nothing changes from this discussion. But the question I really would like to see answered is why did the NFL officials on the sideline that rushed into the field, tell the crew to reverse a correct call? That’s really a big deal and what’s being glossed over by all the common sense people. Those who say the NFL doesn’t have its own agenda I’m sure will have all the excuses for this action, but it’s pretty bold, if all of the sports news people and executives would call them out, I would like to see Rodger have to answer for this. Of course it will never happen, it’s already swept under the rug and we are on to the next round...

Section “8” The forward pass A.R 8.5 An illegal forward pass in end zone result is a safety, previously it is stated that a forward pass can not be made after a change in possession.

Actually there is, and it’s a safety.... “If a player of the team which intercepts, catches, or recovers the ball commits a live-ball foul in the end zone, it is a safety. If a player who intercepts, catches, or recovers the ball throws a completed illegal forward pass from the end zone, the ball remains alive.“

If they apply common sense, why was Fords block flagged for a blind side hit when it wasn’t even close? Why weren’t the Texans flagged for delay of game when the clock reached zero, common sense says when a clock reaches zero, your time is up. That’s why it’s important to follow the rule book. The player merely had to drop to his knee or not catch it at all, he screwed up and you want to give him a pass. He was lazy and you want to reward him. You have also dug yourself in on something you just won’t admit you are wrong about. Be a man an admit it...

Refs don’t have the choice of making common sense calls, it’s black and white and you are so dug in you won’t admit that you are wrong, you’re like a 2 year old . The point isn’t people are hurt, the point isn’t interpreting what he meant to do, the point is the overriding by the off field officials was wrong and their is no arguing that. Common sense says if there is a written rule you follow it or this exact argument ensues. Be a man and admit you are wrong.....

You’re arguing with someone who hasn’t a clue about the rules, that never goes well and I’m sure he’ll never admit he is wrong....

Since you’re too lazy to do it yourself and your acting like an expert on something you don’t know anything about, I did your home work for you. “E” is the relevant line and every expert has pointed to this as why the ruling was wrong. Why do you think the official didn’t blow his whistle and backed away from the ball? The call on the field was the correct call. Section 2 Dead Ball Article 1: Dead Ball Declared. An official shall declare the ball dead and the down ended: (a) when a runner is contacted by a defensive player and touches the ground with any part of his body other than his hands or feet. The ball is dead the instant the runner touches the ground. A runner touching the ground with his hands or feet while in the grasp of an opponent may continue to advance; or (b) when a runner is held or otherwise restrained so that his forward progress ends; or (c) when a quarterback immediately drops to his knee (or simulates dropping to his knee) behind the line of scrimmage; or (d) when a runner declares himself down by sliding feet first on the ground. The ball is dead the instant the runner touches the ground with anything other than his hands or his feet; or Note: Defenders are required to treat a sliding runner as they would a runner who is down by contact. (1) A defender must pull up when a runner begins a feet-first slide. This does not mean that all contact by a defender is illegal. If a defender has already committed himself, and the contact is unavoidable, it is not a foul unless the defender commits some other act, such as helmet-to-helmet contact or by drivinghisforearmorshoulderintotheheadorneck areaoftherunner. (2) A runner who desires to take advantage of this protection is responsible for starting his slide before contact by a defensive player is imminent; if he does not, and waits until the last moment to begin his slide, he puts himself in jeopardy of being contacted. (e) when a runner is out of bounds, or declares himself down by falling to the ground, or kneeling, and making no effort to advance; or (f) when an opponent takes a ball that is in the possession of a runner who is on the ground; or Note: An opponent may take or grab a ball (hand to hand) in possession of a runner who is on his feet or is airborne. (g) when a forward pass (legal or illegal) is incomplete (see 8-1-4); or (h) when any legal or illegal kick touches the receivers’ goal posts or crossbar, unless it scores a field goal (see 9-4-2); or (i) when a loose ball comes to rest anywhere in the field of play, and no player attempts to recover it; the official covering the play should pause momentarily before signaling that the ball is dead. Any legal (or illegal) kick is awarded to the receivers, and any other ball is awarded to the team last in possession. When awarded to a team behind a goal line, the ball is placed on the one-yard line. (j) when any legal or illegal kick is caught or recovered by the kickers, except a scrimmage kick that is kicked from behind the line and is recovered behind the line (not a Try kick). See 9-3-2-Item3 for exception; or (k) when the defense gains possession during a Try, or it is obvious a Try-kick will not score; or (l) when a touchdown, touchback, safety, field goal, or Try has been made; or (m) when any receiver catches or recovers the ball after a fair catch signal (valid or invalid) has been made, provided the ball has not been touched by an opponent, before or after it strikes the ground; or (n) when an official sounds his whistle while the ball is still in play, the ball becomes dead immediately; (i) If the ball is in player possession, the team in possession may elect to put the ball in play where it has been declared dead or to replay the down. (ii) If the ball is a loose ball resulting from a fumble, backward pass, or illegal forward pass, the team last in possession may elect to put the ball in play at the spot where possession was lost or to replay the down. (iii) If the ball is a loose ball resulting from a legal forward pass, a free kick, a fair-catch kick, or a scrimmage kick, the ball is returned to the previous spot, and the down is replayed.

Jeez exaggerating much? Missed by 10 yards? Hardly ....

It’s black-and-white if you would bother to read the rules, you can decide not to catch the ball at all, you can kneel down, or you can slide. But no instance can you just catch the ball and throw it at the referee. Rules are black and white they’re not common sense and they’re not meant to interpretation on the fly, that just leads to trouble.It’s black-and-white if you would bother to read the rules, you can decide not to catch the ball at all, you can kneel down, or you can slide. But no instance can you just catch the ball and throw it at the referee. Rules are black and white they’re not common sense and they’re not meant to interpretation on the fly, that just leads to trouble. Please with the rulebook show us how they got it right, because clearly they got it wrong.

Why, what good would that do? It would drive people to leave and find another outlet...

I just flew into DC today, the guys I met with one is a Pats fan the other not a fan of any particular team. Both were raving about Allen, both said he still needs to grow but said the future will be incredible for him. Yet a small portion of our own alleged fans think he’s terrible... SMH....

The runner didn’t give himself up, there is only three ways to that and he clearly did not. Common sense has no place here, black and white rules do. Has nothing to do with the fact the NFL didn’t follow their own rules.

Dumbest response in a long line of dumb responses. The officials are not tasked with judging intent, they are there to enforce rules that in this instance are black & white. In victory formation can a qb just hand the ball to the the official, Or does he have to kneel first? Does a runner who is 20 yards in front of the last defender have to cross the goal line before tossing the ball in celebration or is it ok to accidentally throw it 6” before the goal line? I mean he intended to cross the line before throwing it. You see rules matter, you can’t be so ambiguous to leave judging intent to the officiating, chaos would ensue and favoritism would be screamed at every turn.. The NFL’s men in there little black outfits decided they did not want this embarrassment, wanted a Competive game, and they wanted the JJ Watt story to continue. They figured there would be enough people like you that would be fine with them ignoring the rules because it was so unbelievable that they could get away with it without much of an uproar. Typical NFL ***** show...

You cracked me up with that PFF comment ??? I think your spot on with your 30-40% Another 20% next year with better talent around and hopefully better play calling better execution by all and he will easily be a top 10 guy and continuing to climb every year...

The grounding was a deflected pass with terrible blocking, the lateral actually stopped the clock, the 4th down sack was terrible blocking and we should have been punting in the first place and we tied the game after that. He had issues, those plays weren’t why we lost...

Ooh, that’s a hard one, not sure which way that would go to be honest. Belacheat potentially could be around a lot longer then Tommy Boy can keep playing...

He’s a free agent and able to go anywhere he gets an offer...

Cause your right there was no pass rush pressure and all the third downs were of manageable distances where the defense didn’t know if we would run or pass ? SMH...

Wow, they understand the clock in this game....

He didn’t have a better option and if DiMarco doesn’t jump a step too soon, he has a good chance of catching it. A Qb in that situation can’t question what open receiver he is throwing too, he has to trust them to make the catch. And I say it’s ok Daboll for having him on the field and calling that play...