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    Trade Targets for Bills (WR)

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    6 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

    Rebel, with what $ on Adams. Don’t get me wrong, I love the idea if we had cap space.  We need an established WR and also trade up in the draft.  We basically have $10 mil. In June.  That’s why I suggested OBJ as we don’t have to trade for him, amd he wouldn’t be that expensive.

    You could trade for him then extend him to get under the cap. It's doable. 

    I wouldn't do it.

    Jefferson is the trade target for a long-term investment. 

    If not Jefferson, then just get your WR from the draft.

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    Could Dawson Knox be more of a gadget guy?

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    1 minute ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

     

    Knox is still likely one of the best pass catching, blocking TE's in the league.  Depending on what the Bills still do at WR and how much they may trust a rookie early on, maybe they will go back to more 12 personal this year like they started with last year.  In that role Knox could be valuable as he's a good enough pass catcher to keep teams honest.

     

    As far as Kincaid blocking, lets see how he does as a 2nd year player before saying he can't block anyone.  Likely in college he was hardly ever asked to.

    Agree! But looking at Kincaid's frame I don't see a TE that can do everything like Gronk or Kelce. Doesn't mean he won't be an elite player though. 

    Bass is no longer Bass-o-matic

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    1 minute ago, GASabresIUFan said:

    I think Bass' issues may stem from Martin as a holder.  I think it's one of the reason they brought Haack back.

    Was there ever a hold that looked bad? Nope. People are turning holding into some mythical artform. Any idiot can do it. We'll anyone but Romo. 

    Bass was awful last year but he already signed an extension. He's not going anywhere. Only hope is he gets better.

    Calling it now: You're all about to witness the arrival of Shakir

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    Hope you are right.  Shakir does a lot of things well, most notably catching the dam football. The problem will be Kincaid and Shakir will compete for similar routes and touches.  I could easily see Shakir catching more passes than Samuel especially if they draft a true#1.  I could see Shakir and Samuel both right around 70 catches with the rookie maybe getting 40 or so.  Diggs and Davis combined for 152 receptions and the spare parts of Sherfield and Harty added 26 in 2023.   Kincaid had 73 and Knox only 22 missing several games.  If you figure Knox gets closer to 35 and Kincaid maybe gets 75, then you can easily get Shakir and Samuel around 70.  This takes the pressure off the rookie in year 1 but still gives him room to contribute.    

    Could Dawson Knox be more of a gadget guy?

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    Kincaid can't block anyone.  Not sure why people think he is TE #1.  Sadly Knox has not developed into the receiving threat of an elite TE, so Brady will need to figure out a way to use them both.  

    Knox is not going anywhere after taking a pay cut.  If Beane pulled that stunt he destroys his reputation in the locker room and with the agents.

    They have been and always will be different positions on the team. 

    In fact when his contract is up Kincaid will argue like other flex TE's have that he should be paid more in line like a WR and not a TE.  

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    Why does Beane get a pass?

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    Beane is not perfect and he is no genius.

    I have liked most of his offseason moves over the years. 

    I have posted my disagreements with his choices.  In many cases I was proven wrong - Bernard for sure. I hated the Oliver pick and didn't like the extension. Oliver is not a top 10 draft pick talent but he is very good. I hated trading Diggs and I hated Epenesa pick and now extension. 

    I actually like the Benjamin trade and the Miller signing. Really like the Knox deal as he was one of my favorites though he simply has not developed.

    He has been elite at getting guys to rework their deals.

    His two flaws are giving up too many picks moving up in the draft and until this last year he failed at building a OL.

     

    The problem is KC has a better team and a better HC. In almost every way we are the Manning/Dungy Colts. Our only hope is Allen can win at least one Lombardi 

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    Beane's First-Round Deals

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    Go get Jefferson. Vikings are in full rebuild mode. Their 2nd round pick is going to be in the mid 30s at worst. Give them 28 and that pick and you still keep your first round pick in 2025. That still also preserves your 2nd round pick in 2025 for a second WR, Edge or safety. 

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    Beane's First-Round Deals

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    5 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:


    They only moved from 22 to 16 to get up for Edmunds. It wasn’t all that much of an investment but I do agree with your sentiment. 

    He gave up a second round pick.

    And he could have just stayed where he was and taken Fred Warner or Shaquille Leonard without giving up any picks.

    Vander Esch was gone at 19 but may have been there ar 21 if Dallas took Edmunds. 

     

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    Diggs traded to Texans for picks

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    5 minutes ago, Bills Fan in MD said:

    If we wind up using the cap savings from Diggs to sign Cee Dee Lamb I would support adding Beane to the Ring of Fame the very next day.

    If they have to sign a #1 WR in 2025 that means Beane failed miserably at his job in 2024.

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    Last player to leave in any way that hurt?

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    1 minute ago, BBFL said:

    Because of it being a traded scenario, Peerless Price or Marshawn Lynch. 
     

    Probably Lynch more as we got virtually nothing for him… Those picks turned into Tank Carder and Chris Hairston…


    Price we acquired a first rounder… Became McGahee and Peerless went completely downhill after an OK first season in Atlanta. 

     


    Both were key components to one side of the field and seemed to split fans according.

    Lynch is a good one too. Obviously very polarizing at the time too. Fred Jackson ascending made it hurt less but seeing Lynch's success in Seattle first hand was frustrating.  My son loved him in Seattle though 

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    Last player to leave in any way that hurt?

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    I fully admit Diggs was one of my favorites and trading him hurts. Part of loving the Bills is having an emotional investment in the team and the individual players.

    It's really tough for me to think of another guy in the recent past that hurt as much after he was gone. 

    I felt really bad when Schobel retired.  I think he is one of the most underrated Bills of all time and he deserved better. For whatever reason didn't get the same attachment for Kyle Williams though I appreciated his ability.

     

    How about others? Who was the last player that really hurt when they left? 

    Diggs traded to Texans for picks

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    43 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

    Your schtick is boring 

    Be a McDermott fan boy if you want. Others on here agree with me

    As for my other points, is the failure to adequately address the OL an unfair criticism? 

    The only redeeming factor for Epenesa is he is only 25. He had 2.5 sacks in the final ten weeks of the year. Again started the season strong and was a non-factor the rest of the way. He had 1 tackle and no sacks in 2023 playoffs. Terrible decision to bring him back.

     

    I've generally given Beane high marks for his off-season moves. 

    As he said today, the Bills are worse today after this move. If he thinks Shakir, Kincaid, and Samuel can replace Diggs as he was implying he is insane. But he is lying. He will trade up and draft a WR. That is his MO. He burns picks to move up and get a guy he wants. The only thing left to be seen is how much he gives up and how high he goes up. 

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    Diggs traded to Texans for picks

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    27 minutes ago, Governor said:

    I’m very proud of Beane today. That’s how you do it.  That’s how you stay good in this league.

    Yes trade top 10 WR and keep busts like Epenesa. Take five years to finally put together an above average OL and then blow it up one year later.

    Doesn't matter anyways, until McDermott is gone its all window dressing. 

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    Beane Press Conference 4pm

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    1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

    Beane again very clearly stated that if at 28 the first round graded WR's on their board are gone, they will take another position and take talent over reaching and look at the 2nd to potentially add a WR.  

     

    Do you actually believe that?  

    Diggs traded to Texans for picks

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    6 hours ago, Blackbeard said:

    Or you could expand your thought process and think long term.  

     

     

    I would take the Rams one SB win and not making the playoffs over losing in the Division round three years in a row.

    People are brainwashed with Beane and McD BS on sustained success.  The NFL is a win now at all costs league.  And this regime blew our best chances.  Josh could break down like Cam Newton any moment with the way he plays.  Like Apollo Creed said, there is no tomorrow.

     

     

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    Diggs traded to Texans for picks

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    25 minutes ago, appoo said:

    This is driving me insane. This is not how to portray Dead cap. It's THREE MILLION

     

    They're not anywhere close to contending and DK is their best way to get picks

    What are you talking about? The Bills will have a cap charge of $30M this year and no player on the roster to show for it. How much more dead do you want that to be???

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    Diggs traded to Texans for picks

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    1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

     

     

    O'Cyrus Torrence says hi. Tre White too. Zay Jones was in for 79% of snaps. Terrel Bernard played 93% of snaps in game he wasn't injured in, 999 snaps.

     

    If you're good enough right off, he'll put you in. And it'll be easier still in years when the roster has some real holes, which this group does right now.

     

    Bernard was a second year player. He only played one game as a rookie and he sucked in that game. 

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