WideNine

That was a damn shame 😁 Karma

That was a f'n BS call - Rapp hit the ball before the TE. Anything that close just let them play for the love of god.

We were doing good getting into 3rd and short till they got that free blitzer and Josh had to get rid of it. Not sure we are going to pick up 6 on WR/bubble screens with how good their LBs are, we will see 3rd and 6 down there is not the easiest and we got to see how TB was going to play those situations and alignments and came away with 3.

Poor Allen - all the pressure and starting deep in your own EZ. Too much lag on my stream...

I thought the same thing - secured, both feet down and turned to go upfield. Happened quick so get that it was a judgement call in real time, but I think that was a fumble.

How is that not a fumble? Both feet down and turned - I guess it was close.

I felt so good about our secondary and DTs at the beginning of the season - sigh

Hard to find that balance this year between execution - getting it done and playing too tight which causes hesitation and timing issues. If Allen sees a lane, he should scramble and get into this game early and try to get into a good cadence. Just can't predict how horrible and how much interference the zebras are going to create. Hard to get into a rhythm when you are walking backwards after making a good play.

This may have some merit, as just liking and hand-picking your OC does not mean that Dorsey is the right guy to hold him accountable and as you said "push the right buttons". It takes more than just the X's and O's or even friendship to get the most out of a QB. We have no idea what goes on behind those walls and that is likely a good thing.

Journalism is just about dead for news in general and certainly trending that way in sports reporting. Not sure who to blame as many folks have the attention span of a gnat and want "drive-by" reporting or what passes for reporting. Sober, well thought out and researched reporting is not as market driven. Ad-click revenue has driven the demand for less news and more sensational and/or divisive headlines that can get people to click on them. And yes, I agree that Allen reflecting about his mental space and approach is not earth-shattering or worthy of that much conjecture. I honestly would be more concerned if he wasn't processing those things.

Hunter Henry also bowled over our defenders in coverage down at the goal line freeing up their receiver for a TD with no OPI called on their very obvious pick play. Murray picks a guy to free Knox and the offensive PI flag was thrown. Neutral zone infraction on Torrence a guard. Diggs getting obviously mugged on his routes. A phantom DPI call on 3rd and long to extend a NE scoring drive... We played bad, but the officiating was horrible all game long. They are not mutually exclusive things, both can be true. In that game, I left feeling we got the short end of the officiating stick. All I ask is that if they are going to call ticky-tacky or phantom penalties on one team they need to call them on the other too. I hate a flag fest, but if the laundry is going to fly call it the same for both sides.

Other Bills fans. We all know how this board gets after a loss.

Finally caught up with Joe's Locked On podcast and mirrored much of what I thought I saw. Didn't realize how much Williams, Bernard, and Taron struggled in the middle and as we suspected our interior DT play was poor. So an easy day for Mac to step up clean and deliver to open guys on in-breaking routes. Also Torrence and Morse got manhandled. I have been preaching prioritizing prospects for both a younger 1-tech and C for years to groom as anchors to both lines and that has largely been ignored by OBD. Mitch is a good C, but struggles with bigger, stronger DTs, and every team in the AFC East has made having one a priority. Miami - Wilkins Jets - Williams NE (technically a NT) Barmore Barmore took Torrence and Morse to school quite a bit in that game making it hard for Allen to step up and into throws or escape the pocket. So we will see how or if our Bills can adapt and make adjustments for Thurs.

Dodson is a bit more of a downhill thumper as a run defender than Bernard or Williams, but as soon as McD brought him in Mac just used play action and lobbed passes behind him because he is not as good recognizing where he needs to be in coverage and getting there on time. Eerily similar to how broken this defense got when DaQuan was out last year. We missed the double teams he draws and his push up the middle collapsing the pocket. We also missed having Oliver's disruptive ability to split the double teams, beat protection schemes, and knife into the backfield. The team looked sloppy yesterday executing in all phases, but I thought the officiating was pretty abysmal in general.

I watched that replay and he made contact with both 25 and 7. He knocked 25 to the ground. I believe they could have called offensive PI if that contact happens more than a yard beyond the LOS. My point earlier in this thread on our pick plays was that our receivers don't get their heads around, don't look like they continue their "route", and throw their arms up in mock innocence which is begging for a flag.

That same kind of "pick" we were flagged on for the Knox nullified TD. Folks don't like to look or mention officiating, but it did impact this game and the Bills' ability to move the ball, score, and kept NE drives alive. Hate to watch games like that.

He was in on one stop he chased down early when Settle got blown out of his gap. Much of the yards we gave up were outside the tackles. Looked like the Pats had two helmets on him when he was in and he was not giving up too much ground. There was so much crap going on elsewhere that I did not like that I stopped looking for Poona plays. Like Dane playing 15 yards off a receiver the Pats called up from their practice squad to give up an easy 1st down conversion or completely whiffing on an end around tackle.

If the only way for Josh to be effective is for the team to scheme runs for him then that is a QB ability ceiling that rarely leads to good outcomes. The reason Josh can't roll out at will (to the right like he did for a few seasons) is that defenses know the tendencies and have counter measures for him and our scramble drills for receivers. Those off schedule things were never in the playbook to begin with to be schemed out. The league defenses adjusted and they became less effective. As they usually do when countering the tendencies of mobile QBs overly reliant on their legs. Now if you are mobile, can roll out either side, extend plays, and are accurate, then that is a different story. That kind of QB play takes a lot of off season work, practice, and the right baseline talent. Some QBs just don't have the pocket presence or athletic ability to evade the rush and extend plays. Allen does, but his accuracy has been all over the place. This narrative of Allen being locked into the pocket and handcuffed by the coaching staff is delusional. Is he being asked to go through progressions and hit the open receiver on schedule? Probably, but so is every other NFL level QB.

Thought the same thing, but was more angry at stone hands.

When folks talk about Allen running they are usually referring to him scrambling and not designed runs which is one key difference that often gets lost Secondly, defenses are doing a better job sealing the edges and keeping Allen from escaping the pocket...especially to his right where he prefers to roll out to throw or run. More defenses are keeping a fast spy on Allen and they are on him as soon as he does roll out. If you watch, many of Allen's scrambles now happen between the Tackles when and if that opens up if LBs and S's vacate the middle. Defenses have adapted and there is less open field for Allen to exploit. It is not like it is always an available option for him and coaches are saying "no". Sometimes he is able to do this more later in games, but defenses are often sitting back in those situations trying to prevent the big play so giving up more space for him to run.

Then just blame him for the INT or the Diggs overthrow or the passes to no one. Many of those happened when he had a clean pocket or what passes for one in the NFL. It is never black and white, but the times he had time and space to operate he really struggled today. And I have no problem blaming him for those. I also think the OL often struggled in the first half figuring out protections or just holding their blocks. It was both.

At some point some fans will need to actually come to terms with Allen simply playing poorly. Making bad choices where to go with the ball, staring down receivers and throwing INTs, dirting easy passes, and air mailing passes out of bounds or overthrowing receivers that are wide open down field. It's not all Allen and Dorsey can do a better job with some situational calls and personnel packages and some players have to execute better. However when players are schemed open and Allen just can't hit those passes that is not on your OC or the plays called

You need a refund dude. That was brutal, but probably worse for fans that crossed the pond to watch that s*** show in London.

Every team runs 12 personnel. The reason the Bills are running more of it is because they believe that Knox and Kincaid need to both be on the field. That is debatable I guess. The other reason is to give additional pass pro help to Brown and our OL to better protect Allen. How effective that has been can be debated too as pass pro was not very good this game.

I was not impressed with our defensive play on the edges - gave up too much YAC. Jones makes this d-line go. When he is out they have to bring more guys into the box to counter the run or put Dodson on the field which signals time for play action and passes in the middle being wide open. I loved picking up DaQuan Jones but his age concerned me. We do need a young impact 1-tech to start grooming for his role. All good defenses have that 1-tech or nose that demands the double teams. That ain't Tim Settle when Jones goes down. Allen was borderline awful this game with the accuracy. Starting with that first telegraphed INT and all the passes that sailed on him. It was like watching 2018 Allen before he worked on his mechanics. Maybe he is hurt worse than we know...dunno. I am over Knox and his penchant for having drops and fumbles at critical moments too. What can I say about the officiating crew. Horribly tilted the field for NE with bizarre calls - Offside on a G, no call for Diggs getting mugged, and Elam gets a key phantom call when he jammed a receiver at the line and had no contact after.... Just too many flags this whole game most were head scratchers. We have been called a few times on offensive pass interference which is usually rare. When we run the rub as all teams do, but instead of our wide receivers being coached to continue running like they had a real route they do some bush league obstruction and acting throwing their hands up in mock innocence just begging for a flag. In this league you only need to get in the way and slow down a bit for DBs to have to reroute and lose a step and to create a window. You don't have to mug the guy.