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What would really mess this up and make us all scratch our head is if EJ is traded before the game.

He had them in position for 2 fields goals, one was a short one that missed. TT did his job and controlled the ball, and put us in a place to score on 2/3's of his drives.

Maybe he starts the 3 string WR's, RB's OL and put EJ with them. That way he can say he started him and let him fail.

Maybe we add a QB? Not sure about us having tradable commodity at RB though.

Thanks and that was my point.

You trying to compare EJ to Kelly is unreasonable. Thats like trying to compare Bryce Brown to Thurman Thomas.

Losman was better. At least with out WR's Losman would constantly hit guys in stride. You also never heard him hit a test, cameraman on sidelines. Now EJ is a much classier and nicer guy. Losman got his leg broke pissing off his teammmates.

Ej Manuel is not Jim Kelly. REally, he was so bad, his last game starting and making the same mistakes, even worse, which is what got him benched.

Well one to be said about the Watts throw. It wasn't like the defense had to get back on the field quickly and get tired. They couldn't use that excuse of how many times EJ can't sustain drives and the defense is exhausted.

Or maybe a different take. A lot of the 3rd string guys are the one who are smart and made it to this level by knowing routes and just knowing the sport, but don't have all the gifted talents of the top tier guys. So maybe the WR ran the right route and EJ mistook the 50 foot tent for a WR..

Hogan and EJ have a history. I thought Hogan got better after EJ was benched.

Not an out pattern, but these ones looks good http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000294203/EJ-Manuel-throws-3rd-interception http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000382354/Manuel-intercepted-by-Goldson Sort of an out pattern

Yes we do. The pass to JJ Watts that got him benched last year.

Preseason is a real game? Since when. I thought they were practice games? No wonder we can't make the playoffs.

Whaley is good at drafting mid-round guys. We should trade Mccoy for a 3rd, Darues for a 4th and maybe get a 3rd and 4th for Gilmore. We'd be set.

Can't be. I read in another thread (I think Simon said it), that TT cannot throw the out pass like EJ and everyone will easily see the difference. I guess he meant to say the TT's is so much better.

/EJ will not start game 1 of the season

Right. But the point of the matter is, if a QB only has 1-2 scoring drives per game we aren't going to win. Right now, that is all EJ has done and averaging what would be 6+ drives that end in a punt per game. TT on the other hand is averaging 4+ scoring drives and 2-3 drives that end in punts per game. Who is a better a) game manager and b) helping the defense and c) scoring at the same clip or more? The QB has no control over whether the kicker makes the FG, but as long as he is putting the kicker in a position to score he's done his job.

I never knew QB had WL records like pitchers. When did that happen?

He's got to have more than 1 or 2 TD's a game (always at end it seems). If he's going 3 and out and putting the defense on the field a lot teams are going to score 20+ on us. Therefore we lose 20-7 or 20-14. 1-2 good drives a game isn't going to cut it. A Qb has to sustain 4-6 drives per games for some points (FG or TD).

That's one play and Cleveland was blitzing on every play. That was their game plan. Just like Losman one or two big plays a game won't cut it, if the other ten drives are 3 and out or worse INT/fumble. The QB has to manage a whole game. Prior to that we punted on every series EJ was in including one series with a fumble. With TT we had only one punt and one missed field goal attempt. In the Carolina game, EJ had 1 3 and out but was lucky to have a short field that was a field goal. So not like he really drove the team for a score there. He also had 3 series ending in punts. Again also one TD at end of game. Again another fumble in that game. With TT at QB they had 2 TD's and one turnover on downs. Again, one play a game doesn't make a good QB. So on basically the same amount of time they both have 2 TD's, FG attempts. 1 series ending in a punt for TT. For EJ it's been 6 punts.

I have a bigger concern with the other two guys not being able to recognize blitz and work off that. Taylor keeps defenses honest as he can run, but EJ doesn't seem to recognize. Looking for the homerun ball will get him killed.

http://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchart/BUF

Practice squad

So Cutler is one of the best QB's in the league.? He throws a lot of TD's. Plus INT's, fumbles, and is a butt. But hey he's usually in top 10 throwing TD's. How many playoff games has he won?