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He left so many yards and plays on the field, not to mention the four points we lost by on that second half miss to Zay running wide open in the end zone. Josh made some incredible plays today, and so I get the excitement, but his accuracy was truly awful. We only scored 17 and lost on a day where we easily could have had 25-30 and won.

I blame Clay for that last one. It was a wounded duck but Allen made an incredible play just to be able to get it there. You have to come back and make that grab.

If some of these throws had been accurate Zay would have three TDs and a couple hundred yards receiving today.

He's exactly who we thought he was at the draft: very raw, makes plays with his legs (even better than advertised), but is maddeningly inaccurate with his throws, even one to the next. Last week he was a little more accurate than usual. Today he's having a bad one even for him. Some of these throws to Zay are unbelievable. They kill drives. They take away TDs. I don't know how you move forward with a QB like that unless there's progress with the accuracy, or at least a decrease in the propensity to make bad throws. He's anywhere from 20-40% bad throws depending on the week. I would love to see a study that shows where he ranks all time.

Think this works as a well timed message to the team too. You can still be replaced. Fight for your snaps.

You're right they do. I think Josh still has a much higher rate of bad throws per attempt than other QBs though. The coaches don't seem to trust him yet either. We don't throw in the red zone. But he's still young , and he made a number of brilliant, star-like plays today. This felt a lot like the Vikings game. Hats off to him.

Here were his bad throws: behind Zay over the middle on the first series; Ramsey pick that was called back before halftime; one hop throw to Foster mid 3rd q; Thompson over the middle to start 4th on 3rd and 7; quick throw one hop to McKenzie next series; wide way left on the 3rd ad 14 out to Thompson. So 6 of 21 throws (including the completions and INT called back). You can argue the reversed INT because Ramsey clearly pushed Foster but he also had inside position on the throw. It wasn't great. Allen made a ton of winning plays today but he still needs to work on his accuracy.

It's a pretty good indicator. Today Josh was under pressure a lot (as usual) so there were some throwaways that were actually good plays on his part. There were also several bad throws where he had time and just missed guys, particularly in the second half (like the one hoppers to Zay and Deonte). He made lots of plays with his legs and deserved the win but accuracy and inconsistency is clearly still an issue.

Some thoughts on Allen: The good: he's clearly a threat with his legs on any play. Today he was much better feeling the rush and escaping at the right moment. He even had several plays where he took off to one side, composed himself as he was running and made the correct decision to throw it away or run OB. The run in the fourth was superstar talent. So was the jump throw, and the TD throw in the second quarter where he held until the last possible second and rifled it thirty-five yards on a rope. The bad: he's still wildly inaccurate and inconsistent. A couple of those misses to Deonte were downright stinky. One of them was a one hopper with no pressure. He finished with only eight completions. The coaches don't trust him enough to let him throw in the red zone. Either he runs it in or we kick a FG. It feels like it's either boom or bust with Josh. He's still missing on his timing throws to the outside most of the time. This game made you wonder what he might look like surrounded by people who can block and get open. Fournette is terrifying. Overall nice win.

It was a great throw. It completely changed the game. I don't crusade.

Team seems fired up. We win this by 20.

That was so close to being a strip sack. What a throw!! Have to have better pocket awareness though...

I will say this for the pro Barkley crowd, we do have an absolute cakewalk of a schedule the rest of the way outside of the Pats game. Except, we already have seven losses. Just because that was good enough to fluke into the playoffs last year, it doesn't mean we have a realistic shot at it again. Nine wins won't be enough. Quote me on that. If I'm McDermott I have an honest conversation with the team. It's about development the rest of the way. It's about getting better for next year. We're still going to try to win, but we're going to get a look at the young guys too. Allen is going to be the QB. End of discussion. The buy week is the perfect time to have that talk.

Yeah I'm about as pessimistic as it gets around here with Allen and even I think we need to give the kid another look. We're realistically out of the playoff race. The pressure to win is finally off. Now we can take the shackles off Josh and see what he can do. Barkley should stick around as the back up. Whatever wisdom Anderson was supposedly going to impart, he's done that. This is Allen's time to prove that he's got what it takes to eventually be the franchise guy, and we don't need to go get a real QB in the off season to compete in training camp (though I think we should do this regardless). We're not going to find out anything with Allen sitting on the bench.

Yes we've seen that McBeane has a blind spot on offense and in particular with QBs, but we've also seen that he's an incredible defensive coach and someone who can help his team overachieve (see last year's playoff team that never should have made the playoffs). It's clear we went defense first by design in order to keep us competitive. These guys deserve one more year to fix the other side of the ball. After all, this is a rebuild and those take time. If we're still completely inept offensively next year McBeane will likely be shown the door. I suspect we'll be better though with another off season of signings and drafting.

I don't want Josh in there this week under any circumstances. Maybe he's healthy enough to play, but we should be aiming to make his second stint as successful as possible. Give him the buy to get to 100% and time to really nail down a good game plan against the Jags. He needs practice reps. He needs preparation. If we bring him back a little early and it doesn't go well, that's only going to further erode his own self-confidence as well as confidence from the coaches and teammates that he can ultimately get it done as a franchise guy. Let's err on the side of caution. We have too much invested in this kid to set him up to fail again.

nah he wants 6.4M

Chris Ivory is absolutely better than Shady at this point. End of an era.

What's the record for least yards given up by a defense when the other team scores 34 points or more? We might still have a chance!

Confession time. I picked the Bears in my eliminator pool. It was partly a way to hedge against my growing apathy of watching this awful team.

What the hell is Peterman doing there??? Throw it up! He's terrified of throwing another pick.

I think you guys are wildly exaggerating his lack of arm strength. It's not like he's out there throwing wounded ducks on every play. Peterman is inaccurate, doesn't always make the right decision, and gets rattled under pressure or when things aren't going well. Those are his issues. That and the play calling has been suspect. Clearly Daboll doesn't trust him. His arm strength is fine albeit a stark contrast with Allen (who's even worse in the above listed areas than Peterman right now). Our QB situation is a joke.

I'm not sure that's it. He had a receiver get clobbered before the catch, another one juggle a ball right into the hands of the defender, and another one caught and fumbled for a TD. It's a little like what happened in that Chargers game last year. Just a comedy of errors. I wonder how much of it is more about a collective lack of confidence in Peterman with his teammates. They're just expecting things to go badly, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I can't help but laugh at all these Peterman turnovers. So far I'm not sure any of them are his fault (today) but he's just a magnate for negative plays. He's also not doing much of anything right either. What a joke.

Lol @ the idea that we passed on McVay as appose to him choosing LA over Buffalo.