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5 hours ago, JDubya76 said:
If they don’t do a full season, I’m hoping for 16 games.
They’re going to get eaten alive in their division, Demolester can’t change that. It’ll totally mess with the way they structured the contract and it will blow up their cap next year.
Eff the browns for that deal, it should bite them hard.
If he is suspended 16 games, the contract will bump to next year. It won't toll to year 2.
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7 minutes ago, DRsGhost said:
This tweet sounds about right.
So I'll preemptively say this. If the DOJ/FBI releases the warrant first, then I'll inspect it with a very jaundiced eye.
If it's first revealed through a leak to the NYT or the like then my default position is to believe absolutely none of it.
And the longer this takes to see it, the more likely a leaking spin story is being fabricated behind the scenes.
Get out the narrative and it becomes the truth.
It's the bed you've made leftists.
Why doesn't Trump release it then? Then you can "trust" that it's coming from a reliable source.
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10 minutes ago, DRsGhost said:
Plant stuff? The FBI? C'mon man! It's not like they got four FISA warrants based on complete bunk and an FBI agent pleaded GUILTY to altering evidence in order to bolster one of those applications.
There's absolutely no reason to believe that the FBI given unsupervised access to Trump's private residence for hours would EVER do such a thing!
A source close to the former president expressed concern that FBI agents or DOJ lawyers conducting the search could have “planted stuff” because they would not allow Trump’s attorneys inside the 128-room building to observe the operation, which lasted more than nine hours.
Obviously they are going to claim they planted stuff. Cast doubt any way possible. I am not even saying it couldn't happen, but just saying it doesn't make it true.
Also, how can you claim everything is bogus when you have zero idea what was on the warrant, or what the warrant was for? In your own article, it says Trump's lawyers told the staff to give them access to everything, so I have to assume the warrant granted access to everything. And if the staff did NOT turn of security cameras, then that should help some in regards to them "planting" stuff, right?
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6 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:
Nah, I'm sure the guy who rips up documents and throws them in the toilet handled all of those documents properly and provided the GSA with everything they asked for...
Exactly. And even if they did send them, they were obviously requested. And WHY were they taken/requested?
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Just now, Wacka said:
I have read that the GSA Sent those boxes to Mar-A Lago several weeks or months ago. The govt knows what is in them and had them for months and months before Trump did. THE SAFE OF HIS THEY BROKE INTO WAS EMPTY.
I have read that the GSA sent them, but there were also reports of Trump taking documents all the way back in January/February. So it depends on what they were looking for.
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19 minutes ago, DRsGhost said:
Six ways to Sunday, right Chuck?
The Trump appointed FBI Director?
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Hey! I built the trusses for the stage in the background. The HoF Village expansion and all the work going into the area is amazing. They're doing a water park and restaurants. Tons of stuff. Something like $600-$700M in projects.
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12 minutes ago, Limeaid said:
Good argument for your starting QB but standards have changed a lot.
When I was raised in WNY cops would often make drivers just park their cars and drive them home when they had too much to drink with a warning. No way that happens these days.
If Roethlisburger had accused of those acts today he would be punished much more severely.
Right, I think that is kind of the point Robinson was making. The NFL is punishing players more severely for similar offenses just because of the public outcry. That is not the correct way to rule on cases. And Roethlisburger was accused of much worse than Watson, and STILL got his suspension reduced on appeal.
Watson deserves to be punished, and if he was criminally prosecuted and found guilty, he would deserve jail time. In the mean time, the NFL only chose to pursue 4 cases and I have no idea why. Prosecutors chose not to pursue charges.
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39 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:
This is a untrue statement for the vast majority of the country. Orange County FL gave high schoolers computers 8 years ago and middle schoolers them 5 years ago but only gave them to elementary kids because of Covid. No intelligent person believes more than 5% of elementary student would benefit from a computer based curriculum more than a personal one. If you believe tyour area was going that direction please let me know where you live
My brother and sister in law are elementary teachers. Most students had computers before COVID. Now, they used them MUCH more due to COVID, but their use has decreased a lot since.
East Central Ohio.
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2 minutes ago, NewEra said:
Please, name another player that was accused of sexually abusing 4 women.
Roethlisburger was accused of straight up rape twice. Not 4, but forceable rape, to me, is worse than what Watson is accused of (what Watson is accused of doing is awful as well, to be clear.) Roethlisburger got 6 games down to 4.
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33 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:
Yep
Again, is it precedent though when there is an owner accused of almost identical, and actually worse things than Watson, who received next to no punishment? Snyder is accused of sexual assault of I believe around 20 women, and also was accused of trying to pimp out the cheerleaders to business friends. Punishing an owner for league related violations is A LOT different than punishing one for sexual assault violations.
Watson should be punished, and I'm sure it will be more than 6 games, but the league has to be careful to some extent too because they are ignoring their own CBA when it's convenient for them.
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Just now, NewEra said:
There’s nothing to compare Watsons situation to. No one has ever been accused of being such a sexual predator vs so many victims. He’s in a different category entirely. I haven’t heard any non browns fans say that they think this is a fair punishment. It’s a disgrace
Again, the NFL brought the case as 4. Not 24. That's on them. Not saying it's right, but the NFL chose to only bring up the 4 cases. So in that case, it is somewhat comparable.
I am not a fan of Watson. I was against the trade. Just trying to go by the facts of the case as it pertains to the NFL.
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22 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:
Oh - and as for Trump "starting all the rest.."
Yea sure.....you have the entire planet shutting down - minus Florida - the entire Deep State and media 24/7/365 Trump wants to kill your grandparents - yea he absolutely had a choice. And I blamed him for it the minute 15 days became indefinitely with ZERO metrics.
It's why he's disqualified from running again. He should have told them all "come up with a better plan you ****ing lunatics."
But of course.....he knows what this most likely was. Not sure what China Unleashes next when we don't play along next time.
So I see the rest of your response is a bunch of unproven, conspiracy theorist bull. Somehow Trump is the smartest man alive according to you.
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34 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:
And what would have saved their grandparents?
Answer: Nothing worth doing that pretty much ends the Republic
The good news is the kids were always safe in schools that Democrats shut down - and have now turned elementary education into "here's your chromebook."
Elementary school were going the computer route long before COVID.
As far as grandparents, my dad passed relatively early, before there were vaccines or anything else. He had some health problems, but nothing that wasn't manageable. My mother passed in February, after a person came to a kid's birthday party KNOWING they were positive, but they were a "it's not real" quack. She caught it, and went from relatively good health for a 64 year old woman, to dead in 3 weeks. It was entirely preventable if people weren't idiots.
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19 hours ago, Big Blitz said:
Also, things leftists did that Americans oppose:
1. Hide from the flu
2. Shut down the economy then blamed Trump
3. Shut down life for 2 years - inflicted immeasurable damage to our kids that they may never recover
4. Spent 9 trillion dollars and told us it was necessary because of the flu
5. Said 9 trillion has led to inflation that is decimating the lives of everyone that doesn't make over 400K
6. Still mandating masks in all deep blue public place dumpster fires
7. Used all of that to rig the 2020 election
1. Provide any evidence for #7, please. Trump is now what, 1/76 in court cases?
Also, the rest were all started under Trump. All of them. Trump approved $3.1T of the stimulus, with Biden adding $1.9T more. Not sure where the $9T is coming from.
I also keep hearing how the shutdowns ruined kids lives, possibly forever? I have 2 kids, and did it effect them? Sure. Are they still perfectly happy, functioning, normal kids? Absolutely. What hurt my kids more is losing 2 grandparents to COVID in a 13 month time frame. That will hurt them more.
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1 hour ago, The Wiz said:
The league didn't give him fair notice. I'm not sure how you would interpret that other than, they didn't tell him doing that was wrong.
Fair notice to the players in the dramatic shift in punishment length. Not just Watson. If the standard punishment for speeding is a $100 fine, and 3 year later, for the same offense, someone else gets a $1000 fine, that's not "fair."
I am not defending Watson. Sure sounds like he is a sexual deviant/assaulter. Just showing that everyone knows sexual assault is wrong, and that Robinson was not saying that the NFLPA didn't know it is wrong. Just that there was a dramatic shift in the punishment that the NFL wanted to impose.
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8 minutes ago, The Wiz said:
As the judge stated, Watson wasn't informed by the nfl prior to his acts that it was wrong. (Not verbatim but basically what she said)
No joke.
Though I think that this is a precursor to Godell appealing for 12 games for Watson in hopes the NFLPA doesn't file against them. Basically him saying, "see, we punish owners too"
That is not at all what she said. She said that the NFL never said the punishment went from 6 games (past violations) to 17 games (as requested by the NFL.)
It's odd either way that they needed to specify, but she didn't say "you didn't tell him it was wrong!"
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54 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
The only thing less surprising than the NFL sabotaging itself by appointing a patent attorney to arbitrate one of the more high profile sex assault cases in recent memory is TSWers trying to defend the subsequent ruling.
They didn't appoint her to THIS case. They jointly appointed her to rule over all cases of the PCP. Just so happens this is the first one to come up.
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18 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:
I suspect that Roger will quote the judges language heavily focusing on the "egregious" nature of the acts and then cite the NFL's commitment to bringing women into the fold and state that Watson's actions has damaged the leagues reputation and efforts to meet their key business goal of attracting female fans. He'll then raise the suspension to 12 games with a hefty fine.
The NFLPA would have to think long and hard about the optics of challenging that kind of ruling.
From what I have read, Goodell does not have the power to just raise it to whatever he wants. He has to be able to justify it based on her statements and the evidence listed. Some believe that is why Robinson went into such great detail in regards to some of the issues. Goodell has to be able to back up his changes with precedent and with reasonable cause given the violations that Robinson did find.
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37 minutes ago, Limeaid said:
Kramer being formerly OL coach of Rams should have lots of insight on that team.
Insight #1: Aaron Donald is good.
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51 minutes ago, eball said:
Given the language in Robinson's decision, Roger can now lay the hammer down. I won't be surprised one bit if this becomes a full 1-year suspension.
If he goes from 6 to 17, the NFLPA will sue. Owners getting nothing and Watson gets 17? Also, I can't imagine the 1st case by the neutral judge getting almost tripled.
I think it'll stay at 6 with a hefty fine attached.
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1 hour ago, Augie said:
Interesting, but not surprising, that they made a point of including Dee Haslam on that. I’d never heard of her before, but you want support from the female on this one.
To be fair, she is pretty involved year round. But I am sure that having her listed 1st was intentional.
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36 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:
Lol lol nevermind.
They gave the Browns ONE division game in the first 6 weeks and it's home vs Pittsburgh
They already knew the outcome.
This is settled.
What a f...ing sham.
Cleveland's 1st division game last year was week 8.
Buffalo also has 1 divisional game in the 1st 6 weeks (technically 7) as their 8th game is vs the Jets.
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16 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:
i read the decision and agree.I don’t think her “no fair notice” finding holds up when you have someone who has engaged in unprecedented behavior— which is a pattern of sexual conduct involving four different victims. It is unprecedented if you consider just the 4 victims, let alone the 66 possible victims.
she says the prior punishments for non-violent conduct have been far less (3 games max), but I am not sure going only up to 6 games really appropriately accounts for the multiple victims.
I saw a few places put it out there as such:
"Robinson says that another player was suspended 3 games for sexual misconduct of a non-violent nature and that came after he was warned by the league after an offense."
Apparently that is the major "precedent" case they are using.
Judge Sue Robinson recommends 6 game suspension for Watson; NFL will appeal
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No, it doesn't. 1 game does not count as an accrued season.