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7 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:
Paper Jaguars. They are the Giants of the AFC. They would need 10 weeks to beat the Bills.
Obviously the Bills will be heavy favorites, but an Urban Meyer Jacksonville beat Buffalo, so I doubt it's 10 tries. They're a pretty decent team.
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1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:
You left out a 79 rating, 58% completion percentage, 6.5 average and 20 sacks behind a great OLine in 6 games.Is his contract set up where he gets more money if sacked?
Again, not great. I said he was average. But he wasn't "awful", especially given the circumstances. They played a game in 40 mph winds, and then another with -21 wind chill in the course of 6 games. Everyone plays in bad weather occasionally, but not 1/3 of your games.
All that with very limited preseason and then no practice/meetings/etc for over half the season.
There's a chance he doesn't improve going into this year, but I think it's a tiny percentage.
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48 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:
They had consistent play with Brissett. Stefanski is a moron. Their DC last year was even worse. Watson was awful.
Offseason addressed many issues.
But HC and QB are the same.
Stefanski will be first HC fired on Nov 20th after a home loss to Pittsburgh.
You keep saying Watson was awful last year, which isn't true. He definitely wasn't great, but he ended the year at 7 TDs, 5 INTs, and played 2 of his 6 games in terrible weather. And hadn't played in a year and a half.
If he continues to play like that over the long haul, Cleveland will be average at best. Their defense blew more games last year and Joe Woods is finally gone.
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1 hour ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:
Watson is absolutely awful. He had multiple weeks to prepare and was truly terrible in his 6 weeks of action last season.
Will go down as the single worst GM decision in NFL history. Far worse than any draft pick bust or other lopsided trade. They knew about the allegations and still gave away multiple years of draft picks and signed him to the single worst contract in NFL history. NFL is likely blackballing the Browns from PrimeTime games to avoid the public backlash.
Watson in 2020 was top tier. He still has the talent. He wasn't allowed to practice for months or even be in the building. He didn't even get 1st team reps or play much in preseason because they had to get Brissett ready to play.
Watson was average last year. He was understandably very rusty the 1st game or 2 and they had a couple terrible weather games at the end of the year. Not excusing his play but it definitely puts it into perspective a little bit.
He very well may never get back to where he was. But I think it's very premature to come out and say that he's terrible all the sudden.
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I don't disagree with much of what was said, but Watson played in 2020, so he has played 6 games in 2 seasons, not in 3 seasons. You would assume that he would get back closer to 2020 Watson after a full offseason and beginning the year, but I don't disagree with Cleveland's lower rating until he proves it. If he is 2020 Watson, they should be SB contenders. If he isn't, then they won't be.
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13 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:
He definitely does not have a case
seeing as kelce played like 35% of his snaps flexed and he isn’t considered a WR
the TE wanting WR franchise tag money is over
and Why would a LB wanna be classified as a DE? The franchise tag for a LB is more than a DE…
they don’t separate Pass rushing OLBs or MLBs…. It goes to the average of the most expensive… which is pass rushing OLBs and they get more than DEs lol
The DE tag is more than a LB tag. Or it was for several years. I do believe it is closer now. It's the average of the top 5 salaries for the position.
And again, the previous post said if he was inline for 10%. That means 90% flexed. If Kelce was flexed 35%, that means he was inline for 65%, which is the majority.
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Someone else put it best earlier in the thread. Burrow is the better QB. Allen is a better overall football player. Allen is bigger, faster, and has a stronger arm. Burrow is more accurate, and processes defense and coverages better. Burrow seems to make better decisions overall, and Allen will give you more WOW plays.
If I had to pick 1 of the 2 start start a franchise with, it would be Burrow, but mainly because I feel like Allen's style of play is much more unforgiving, at some point he will slow down, and his body will have problems from the hits. It may be 3 years, it may be 10. But Burrow is a guy I could see playing 15-20 more years. Allen may too, but not the way he plays now. And I trust Burrow more as a pure passer than Allen.
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18 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:
HE played 30% (roughly) of his snaps on the line. Lets reverse this. How many WR's have any snaps on the line. What % will Kincaid be on the line for Buffalo if Knox is not in that specific play or out for the game. If that comes out to be any % over say 10% Then he is still a big bodied TE that plays WR.
Only time and stats will tell
If he lines up at the line for only 10% of his snaps, he would have a major case to be classified as a WR. Just like the LBs who rush 80% of the time. They usually win their case to be classified as a DE.
What typically happens in those cases is the team and player agree to a number somewhere in the middle.
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3 hours ago, papazoid said:
he stinks
PFF Rank out of 81 OT's
#66 - Donavan Smith
#65 - Jawaan Taylor
both are horrible in the run game
Good thing the Chiefs are a run first offense.
Smith dislocated his elbow early last year. He was much worse after that. Not saying he is All Pro, but he is at least average, which is usually sufficient.
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31 minutes ago, Yantha said:
I want WR Jake Bobo, UCLA and LB Ben VanSumeren, Mich St.
Bunch of safeties: Trey Dean, and Rashad Torrence, Florida, Ronnie Hickman, Ohio St., Quindell Johnson, Memphis
Hickman to Cleveland.
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21 minutes ago, Chaos said:
say what you want about the browns, in recent years they have had a good eye for oline
Bill Callahan at OLine coach really helps too.
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13 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:
Holy Cow 46 starts and zero sacks allowed in his college career in the Sec no less
He only played 1 year in the SEC. Still impressive, but it wasn't his whole career.
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Just now, Bangarang said:
He didn’t give up a sack in his entire college career. Is that good?
To be fair, neither did I.
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The owner of the place already publicly said the cameras show nothing, and that the accuser wasn't even near him.
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1 hour ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:
They would be crazy to trade for Henry.
They have two first round picks.
They are at 10 and if the predicted run on QBs happens they can be looking at a top 5 defender or OT at 10. Better yet they can trade down 5 spots get another 1st rounder next year and still get Robinson.
If Tennessee is just dumping salary, it may take a later round pick to get Henry, and they keep their higher picks. No way they would have to trade a 1st for him.
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He became a GM a lot faster than I was anticipating.
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On 4/18/2023 at 11:53 AM, SCBills said:
This draft reminds me, a bit, of the Allen draft. Mayfield, Darnold, Allen, Rosen at the top of the draft... in the sense that I think it will be a bunch of busts and, maybe, Richardson lives up to his potential.
The issue being, for every Allen, there are 5 busts. Most QBs who are drafted on "potential" are hot garbage because if they're drafted on potential it generally means they aren't that great. Allen was able to refine himself for the most part, but he still has his moments where the guy drafted on potential shows up.
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12 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
Maybe, but I don't think so. I think the Panthers and the Texans both want Young. I was told Young was Houston's guy way before lying season started. Before Carolina moved up too. If he goes at #1 I think there is a chance that Houston either doesn't pick a QB at #2 or trades out.
To trade out they would need someone willing to give them a 2024 first I think because they'd be punting the decision a year. Not sure anyone else is as desperate as the Panthers to do that. My advice would be take CJ Stroud at #2. You have a 2nd first this year to get someone at another position who can help. And if you are not sold on CJ just be open to taking another QB next year if he struggles.
I don't like Stroud much. If I'm Houston, I trade down if Young goes 1 and try to grab Richardson or Levis. Stock more picks and take either of those guys wherever you trade down to, or at 12. Still a gamble, but the extra picks help offset the risk.
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10 hours ago, BuffBillsForLife said:
Good lord what is going on in Vegas?
Mike Mayock happened.
But Ruggs with his situation, and the Raiders didn't have a pick until round 3 last year. Leatherwood, their 2021 1st is already gone. Arnette is gone. Clellin Ferrell is gone. Jonathan Abrams. All well before their contracts expired. All 1st rounders.
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1 hour ago, syhuang said:
Curious, do you go to every team's forum when Browns make any move or did you just happen to stop by today and saw this thread?I came to the team website board in like 2007 when the Browns played Buffalo and stuck around there for a while, then came here after that. So no, it's basically this board and a Browns board that I semi frequent. This board seems to be more active and have more football discussion than most others.
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20 minutes ago, without a drought said:
You would add the value of the two picks.
42 - 480
74 - 220
Total value 700 = pick 26.
Why would you add when 42 went to the Jets and 74 went to Cleveland?
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1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:
I would have easily made the same trade for him, but Jets were never sending him here. This is a good move for Cleveland and makes since for the Jets given their signings.
The Jets moved up in picks, but they swapped very similar WRs. Main difference being that Hardman is going to cost A LOT more than Moore.
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Cleveland needed a slot receiver, and Moore had been a slot receiver until the Jets made him an outside receiver for whatever reason. Pretty decent trade with the 3rd coming back.
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15 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
Gabe has real value. We'd be foolish to cut him. Giants would probably consider trading a 2nd for himA 2nd in 2035 maybe.
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