RochesterRob

Teams would be foolish to tip their hands now and waste all that effort scouting a player.

I don't hate you for it but a lot of your reasoning is wishful thinking. Yes, not all of the 8 in the OP might choose a QB but the odds are far from zero that they do not. I don't think most teams go by a QB's feel but rather the age listed on the QB's W-2. Your last paragraph just shoots down the idea of a big trade up. Glad you brought it up though as a reason not to trade the cow for some magic beans. For how many Quatloo's?

Watson is hind sight and Mahomes really has not had much of a chance to display what he can or can not do.

Like they say sometimes you have to bottom out before you reach the top. 2-14 season in 1984, 2-14 season in 1985, and a 4-12 1986 got us Bruce Smith, Wil Wolford, Shane Conlan, and Nate Odomes to name a few. Before we knew it we were reaching the AFC title game. Further, in 1986 Levy did not have the reputation to suggest he would CEO the Bills to the Super Bowl. He was a .500 coach with KC plus did time in the CFL.

Not enough there IMO for the Browns to bite on that. Then there is the issue of Barkley and his being a guy that comes along only once in ten or fifteen years. If you are going up to one then you take the closer to the sure thing especially when Shady's odometer is closing in on 200,000 miles so to speak.

The trouble is this thread points out how expensive that will be. To move up to slot three will cost much more than two number 1's. Teams drafting in the top 12 will be well aware of the market which says demand will greatly out strip supply. I would say that our two number 1's and our high second would be iffy to buy our way into the 12th spot which would be an iffy prospect. We would have to greatly sweeten that offer to get up to pick 3. Probably next years one and third to boot. No way for somebody not named Manning.

I have it on good authority from many here that all these other teams will magically do other than what would be most logical which would be take a QB because the draft expense for them is pretty low. You are confirming my feeling that we could see a serious run on QB through the first dozen picks. At that point I would rather get a top 2 player for the DL or LB and stay put at 21 and 22 than burn two ones to get the sixth rated QB. If these prospects fall heavily into the AFC and are half the players many here claim them to be then we are going to need stout defense and power OL blocking to offset that advantage.

A stopped clock is right twice a day and that is where I think the Browns are right now. I don't think that even Cleveland can screw things up to the point where based on the roster that the team could not make the playoffs. The biggest problem for them right now is if Jackson gets off to a slow start. Barkley, one of the top 2 rookie QB's, some receiver depth via the draft, and defensive depth makes the Browns attractive to a new hire. Unless Halsam gets WWE-McMahon-ish crazy even he could not derail the team. I think that talent-wise we were more than a 5-7 win team on paper. Lawson and Matthews missing big chunks of the season really hurt whether they fully fit the scheme or not. The same with Charles Clay.

I see him as a bridge QB but the point remains about building the line. We don't know when McCoy will hit the wall physically but odds are it will be soon given his age. The next RB most likely is not going to be Payton-esque or Sanders-esque meaning the line is going to have to do more to get 120 yards per game (should 100 yards be the benchmark anymore?) Sure one guy might be better at pass protection than run blocking but without knowing how our current OL will do in a new scheme it appears we have too many one dimensional guys there. Anyways, this means investing in the OL with picks. Our 30 million dollar cap number will shrink when a 5-7 million dollar in season reserve to cover injuries is factored in along with 7 million or so to sign the draft class. Yeah, you can do something with TT but even if he is out of here the net effect is a sideways move to cover his going away. It means you are picking a QB early or are signing a 20-25 million dollar QB.

Most would crash the car with less than 10,000 miles on it and realize they forgot to make the last car insurance payment.

Build up the line for Bradford. It's going to have to be done anyways.

The Jags could do it although be more expensive as more would have to come out of 2019 if we proposed two 2018 1st's, a 2018 2nd, and a very high 2019. I don't think that Coughlin would be of a mindset to be that spendy but he's never been in a position of literally being one player away either. I really don't want to give up that much so I am hoping somebody else gambles away their future and is run out of town in 3 years versus it being our FO.

Easy to say at this point but how would you have felt around mid-season last fall?

The Giants will be taking a QB given Eli's age will definitely take one at 2 if they think somebody is jumping up to 3 from the 20's versus trading back to 4 and then getting their QB. Don't assume that a "QB needy" team will be the only ones. The Jags showed they could go pretty far with Bortles and might chance grabbing a rookie that could start mid-Season if Bortles is true to his typical form early on. They have everything in place to win now and could afford to mortgage the farm on this spring's draft. Throw Jimmy Johnson's trade chart in the trash as it will not get it done this spring.

I can't view the link but if the Saints are projected to take Jackson I would see if I could trade down a few spots to be just ahead of them and gain a pick. Not that it ever works that easy on draft day.

As I recall it it was not as easy to grab a replacement for a position such as kicker back then. The draft ran 12 rounds deep so it was harder to work the UDFA angle.

Marv needed an enforcer type assistant coach in those years for team curfew during SB week.

It was a team loss for sure and the one thing that stood out was the poor tackling. There were at least two dozen instances when a Bills player was in a perfect position to make a tackle but the Giants pushed them aside.

My feelings as well. I guess there is not enough snow to shovel so some guys have too much time on their hands.

I honestly expect that three QB's will be taken within the first five picks and none of the top five teams will trade out of the top five because of it. I might see the Giants trading with Cleveland so the Browns can get Barclay and a QB but the Giants dropping back only to the 4 spot.

I don't think that not drafting a QB this spring is a bold prediction. I think that quite a number of us here expect it to happen.

Nobody in the Giants front office can will Manning's body to play at a high level one or two or three or more years into the future. What Tom Brady does and can do has no bearing on what Eli can do. Eli can eat right and exercise but a lot of it is beyond a person's control. From the Giants' perspective it would be a very good move to find Eli's replacement this year as many years the pickings are slim such as it was when we took EJM.

That still does not establish a trend which in turn would support your argument of playing well into their 40's. Which in turn if true would be justification for the Giants to put off a quarterback. Not enough for me but maybe somebody in the Giants FO if they checked this site on a regular basis.

Brees is age 39 and Manning is age 37 so , no, they are not doing that right now. They can talk about wanting to play into their 40's but if this fall or next fall they can't make a ten yard throw because their arm is nearly dead then they are not playing. Talk is one thing and actually doing it is another.

Well into their 40's implies that they are playing close to 50 years of age and at a high level of production to boot. I don't see that anyplace. Can you name more than one or two Qb's who fit that description to establish a pattern? Blanda got some great grandson coming out of college? You never build around a QB who is definitely in his last quarter in terms of career. If we were talking about Joe Ferguson who basically was around two different offensive eras that would be one thing but his second era happened before he turned 30. The same thing with Brady.