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Tre, Dawkins and Milano look good from 2017 that’s not bad. This year’s draft is too early to tell but early returns are promising. I’ll be interested to see what they can do in FA when they can afford higher tier guys. Our mid to low tier guys are a mixed bag.

It wasn’t the roof or porch that needed replaced it was the foundation. If you build on a faulty foundation you waste your efforts. But I mean specifically what would you have preferred they did? What excuse is being made? The Rams chose not to keep Sammy The Jags and Eagles were making championship pushes so hoped the players would help. Neither will be on their rosters next year. The bengals and Browns are not Super Bowl contenders.

I think they get st least 4 years. You don’t make the moves they did without some expectation of security. They won’t be fired because the team regressed this year, clearly regression was expected. They’ll be fired if their efforts to rebuild don’t pay dividends. They were 5-11 twice. The first 5-11 was an over achievement.

The jets started their post Rex rebuild two years ahead of us. They got their QB after year 3.

How do you propose they fill those gaps?

They are 2 years further ahead in the rebuild. I don’t think that is what they did.

So you disagree with the McBeane approach. That’s a reasonable opinion. I’m curious if you keep all the guys they inherited how do you build for the future? Or do you think they had a championship roster that just needed to be used better.

I hope the raiders blow. I am really rooting against Gruden. We look super bad though so the competition will be stiff.

Never pass up an opportunity to draft an elites prospect you like. There is no guarantee that you’ll be in position to draft one the next year. The bills went over a decade without getting an opportunity to.

I’m not hung up on their pay. I’m simply pointing out that keeping them on the roster makes it hard to fill out the roster. We had 30 mil before trading them 10 to sign rookies, 10 for needs that arise during the season and 10 to sign enough guys to have a 53 man roster. Trent and Star got huge deals? Combined they are only 1/17th of the cap.

How well did we do with those pieces the first go around? We did not spend 26 mil on those guys.

So more old guys and fewer young guys. That’s an opinion. Build the Team around Tyrod, Cordy, Sammy and Darius and try to do better than you did with that core the first time around.

We saved 10 mil trading Tyrod. Watkins deal was up last season so in order to hold onto him we would have needed to resign him. Clay is still here because I assume no one wanted him. He’s likely to be gone next year. Cordy was expendable as an LT and his trade made getting Allen and Edmunds a possibility.

Wed be in worse shape cap wise this year and have fewer assets. 17 mil for a 4 game tyrod rental is steep. Watkins has a 20 mil cap hit next year Kelvin is 0. Cordy is good but I’d rather have Allen or Edmunds. Cordy Tyrod and Watkins would have cost us 31 million. Which is more than we spent this year on all our signings combined.

Clay, Tyrod, Cordy (after Dawkins made him expendable) , Sammy on his way to his current payday. Let me put it this way, we were spent to the cap last year and the cap hit for those contracts was going to grow this year. Did we have a roster whose talent matched our spending?

I can’t think of another team that traded players for picks like we did. Our free agent signings were fine for the depth and role players that they are. Just pointing out what the plan was. The real key will be if the huge number of changes we get next year work out. I think they knew but knowing and having the resources to do it are 2 different things.

Are Lawson and Miller the last Whaley picks standing?

That opens up a cool 477k of cap space. We’re bringing in Dez for sure!

If he starts it’s only because they think it’s the best way to develop Allen. I don’t think it is a “Peterman is our guy” thing. The most they think of Peterman is that he could some day be Allen’s backup.

I feel like a lot of people miss the fact that the team could not keep their talent they had. The cap would not allow it. If we had kept Cordy, tyrod and Darius we would have had about 21 million less to spend in free agency. Sign Sammy for 16 million and that’s 37 million in cap for those 4 guys. Now let’s look at the guys we signed Star gets 6.7, Trent 4.5, Davis 4.3, bodine 2.1 for a total of 17.6 million, 20 million less than we would have spent on the players we let go of add in Kelvin’s 8.5 and we still would have to find 11.5 million dollars, which means you have to sign league minimum guys to fill out your roster or cut other guys. Talent had to go, they opted to trade it over 12 months rather than let it trickle out the door over 2or 3years.

That is how you win unless you have a good QB. If Allen is good you'll stop hearing it.

We could send them a wacky waiving inflatable arm tube man instead of Nate, it would take them weeks to notice they've been bamboozled.

Oh, I have to go cancel my jersey order.

James wilder went 1300 on 65 carries. Dude was a beast 20 YPC. Unbelievable dude should be in the hall.

When McBeane took over in 2017 they saw a team that was in a tough spot. Little cap room in 2017 and even less in 2018. The previous few drafts had provided precious little talent to build around. There were big money players under preforming their contracts. Our championship window was closing on a team that was mediocre at best. Big money contracts would necessitate we ditch some talent to make room to fill a roster and we'd chug along with the mediocre play that had defined most of the drought. But they decided to take it another route. McBeane's gambit was to get rid of all that talent that would not be a part of the team's future as soon as possible, trading them for draft assets. The Number of trades made over the course of that first year was truly staggering. They turned talent that they did not see as the future of the team into two 2nd round picks, two 3rd round picks, a 5th round pick and two 7th round picks. This would not come without a cost, in the form of huge dead cap money and a roster with holes. The benefits could be huge too, lots of draft capital with which to get young talent and a very favorable roster situation in 2019. The Bills have 91 million available next year and only 4 players cost more to cut than they do to keep 3 of those being out 2017, 2018 first round picks. The writing was on the wall that they knew this season would be rough. They Chose dead cap and draft picks over keeping under preforming guys, who were nevertheless talented. They picked two developmental guys in the 1st round. They left free agency with an assortment of depth guys, over the hill veteran leadership guys, cheep risky guys who may be good and maybe a role player or two. they traded away 2018's roster so they'd have more tools to build 2019's roster. The last 12 months set the stage for McBeane's gambit and the next 12 months will ultimately determine if it will pay off.