Batman1876

Take an expensive mediocre team and build a contender from it as soon as possible.

A bit misleading, no? Was there a guy that could cover the whole field? I’m curious what solution you would have prefers to the problem?

They absolutely could have kept restructuring guys, like they did Wood, that’s one option that could have been taken. This crew thought that such an approach would have a lower ceiling. They felt the talent on the team was not good enough to justify that approach so they took the start over approach. They did a good job of getting value for their guys who they chose to move on from and they did a good job of freeing future cap space. Time will tell if they do a good job with using those resources to build a team. Their drafts look good so far but who knows if the players develop. We also don’t know if they will succeed in free agency when they go in with cap space to do what they want with. We also don’t know how things would have gone if they had gone the other route, 2018 would likely have been better but 2019 and beyond will always be a mystery. Playing one one mystery against another is a fools errand. It’s also foolish to attack a plan when it’s in the preliminary stages.

I’ve not noticed us geiving up runs up the middle. The Ravens got no run game going and the Chargers ran the edges, not the middle.

What do you think of his 2 games so far? Is he worth the middle of the road starting DT salary he’s gettin?

Star was paid market value

Our team as a whole is likely to get younger for the next several years. We have young players playing significant positions. Which players do you wish they had kept?

Those under achievers got 2 years older and cost more. They weren’t terrible, I’d argue the roster was mediocre, that’s why they spent 4 years hovering around .500 I’m better with numbers than with spelling.?

Trading Darius saved 8 Mil this year Signing Star costs 6 mil this year if we didn’t sign Star we could have spent those savings elsewhere. if we didn’t Trade Darius we would have had 8 Mil less to spend in FA

Some of the dead cap would have instead been this year’s portion of cap hit for his signing bonus. His cap hit for us would have been closer to 16 Mil. Plus we saved money last year (6 mil) which was part of the unused cap which we rolled over to this year. Dead cap plus Star is about 20 but Darius would have cost 16 and our salary cap number would have been 6 mil less for a total of 22.

How did it ruin my thread?

It’s more about how involved those young players are. Snap counts would be interesting to see.

Having Darius and not star would have been 2 million less cap. Darby not Vontae would save 3 mil. But you wouldn’t have Harrison so you’d need another DT.

The figures I quoted were before 2017. If we picked up Sammy’s 5th year and kept Darius we would have had about 10 million in available cap space at the end of last season.

We agree on something! They could have restructured some and let talent leave more slowly. That is what they done for the previous 7 years or so. Although teams having cap casualties or cap crunch is common. Some teams get bad at that point, worse if they don’t have a QB.

That’s not what I was doing. I simply pointed out the 2018 cost of those 12.

I have no idea what you are trying to say here. You want to keep all the talent we had but you ignore the cost of doing so.

I think you failed to understand the original post. You’ve got a ax to grind. And you ignore facts that get in the way.

Filling 41 roster spots with 50 million is impossible. That was my final line, its also factual. I was just reporting facts and numbers.

The subject line was “the cap situation McBeane inherited” then with numbers and math I laid out what that situation was. So where is the blame and excuse? It’s reality. That was the situation.

It was numbers and math. No blame, just the actual situation. I made no opinion statements only facts. What blaming did you see?

When you do it in steps you get less financial capital in the long run and less draft capital. They've brought in low cost veterans to squeeze under that cap. In 2019 the squeezing is done, they could spend big and still have a huge cap number to roll over for the next year. they have exactly one contract (besides rookie contracts) that carries more cap hit than savings.

I agree, you can see how Whaely's choices while building Rex's bully led to a significant problem in summer 2017.

Darius saves us 2 million. So keeping Darius but not paying Coleman would have resulted in 1 Mil far from Sammy's 13 mil.

Background- Whaley spent to the cap in the 2013 season, 2014 season, 2015 season and 2016 season. He never rolled over more than 2 mil in any single year. In order to sustain this spending contracts had to be back loaded and contracts needed to be reworked. These things are common in teams making a championship push, we never made that push but we did pay for the attempt. 2017- Heading into the off season we had 24 million in cap space. Our major free agents were Woods, Goodwin, Gilmore, Zack Brown and Lorenzo Alexander. In order to have resigned them they would have needed to rely on cheep contracts now that become expensive later, as well as renegotiating other contracts. Looking ahead these choices would eventually lead to not being able to retain talent, just like retaining Woods, Gilmore and Goodwin was going to be tough in 2017. Looking ahead to 2018- Talent was going to be lost on the way to 2018, no way around it. There wouldn't be cap room to replace that talent either meaning the reliance was going to be solely on the draft to fill those gaps. If you look at how our cap would have projected you can see the crunch we were in. These figures are based on the actual 2018 cap hits of these players or the cost to have kept their contracts in the case of traded players. Some of these players may have had larger cap hits for us as a consequence of squeezing them under our 2017 cap. The players we did not resign Gilmore- 12.5 Woods-5.5 Goodwin-6.2 Total 24.2 The players we traded Watkins- 13.2 (cost of 5th year option) Darius- 16 Glenn-15 Tyrod-16 Total-60.2 The retirement Wood- 9 Players we kept Mccoy-9 Clay-9 Hughes-10.4 K Williams- 5.5 Total 33.9 The total for that core group of players that our 2016 roster was built around would have been 127.3 million in 2018 Leaving 50 Million to sign 2017 rookies, 2018 rookies and fill a total of 41 other roster spots an impossible task.