MrEpsYtown

I think his ceiling is Mack Hollins more or less. A 4/5 at best. He is big and long and I think that has value with the new kickoff rules. I think he could be on the field if an injury occurred, but he should not be out there over Shakir, Palmer, Coleman, Samuel...but still has value on the roster. He blocked a bunch of kicks in college. There is some pedigree here, he was once a pretty big recruit for Bama. So I guess he could do more with more opportunities to play, but IMO he mostly is what he is.

This is an interesting place sometimes. We are not impressed by Amari Cooper's career and ability...or Dante Fowler's 55 career sacks...but that one play often healthy scratch Dewayne Carter made against one of the worst teams in the league that one time makes him an impact performer. It's interesting.

He has had a somewhat disappointing career, essentially Hassan Redick...but he gets to the QB.

I think that makes sense. I think overall he is competing with Codrington. As much as they liked him last year, there is a new special teams coach in town in Chris Tabor and Shenault was his return guy in Carolina. So just with his pedigree, I think he has an inside shot at that return spot. He is a very different receiver than Hollins...I feel like he is a thick version of Samuel. He is mostly a gadget player who can run some deep-ins and things. He is a screen and YAC guy and has been an explosive return guy in the past. I think the closest thing we have to Hollins is Shavers, but if he is taking a ton of offensive reps like Hollins did, something has gone very wrong IMO. But he's a nice guy to have around with his size and speed combo and his acumen on special teams.

They can't even tank for Manning because their defense should be pretty good. They just need a game manager for a year.

I'm usually a pessimist, but I'm not a #1 receiver type of person. I prefer the 'everybody eats' mentality. Because that, paired with good defense is what wins championships IMO. I do like this group for the way the offense is designed. What Coleman doe in year 2 is going to have a huge impact. If we see a healthy Samuel that also helps. I really like the Palmer add. In my mind Shavers is in, but Shenault has a chance.

My best guess is they saw Gordon as a nickel. But I agree. The film on McDuffie and Gordon...they both showed really good acumen in zone, they tackle and both turned into really good player IMO.

That is my biggest issue how some of these drafts play out and it is a black eye on prospect evaluations. You are specifically targeting a corner, work them all out, and this is the one you pick? To spend so many man hours in your scouting and come at this result is just bad. And I get it, that this happens to all teams. But that doesn't make it ok. Like you said, I would love to know what this process was actually like. In 2019 they are targeting a LB in the fifth round and pick Vosean Joseph who never even played a down in the NFL. It was literally 1 pick before Dre Greenlaw. Andrew Van Ginkel, Mack Wilson, Blake Cashman all starters in the league, went shortly there after. It's a scouting failure to be targeting a specific position and just fail so badly at the evaluation. It's probably how Saints fans felt when they took Payton Turner in front of Greg Rousseau and Jason Oweh and others. It's a fail.

Totally would take him back. We didn’t see the best version of him.

Man I am such a Beane/McDermott hater that it makes sense. Its the perfect cover

I dunno man. Everyone making fun of this guy but he makes people look silly in some highlights. He looks like a YAC monster. Maybe we will be pleasantly surprised. Def a Tabor pick

Assuming Chris Tabor wanted him. He had him in Carolina as special teams coordinator. Seems gadgety but runs hard and you never know. Like someone said up thread, sometimes guys like this take awhile like a Cordarelle

Mahomes gonna have to give up #15

They crossed over 2 years

Yeah, I tend to agree, but we said the same thing in 2022 and his plan back then was to back himself into needing a specific positon and that resulted in a trade-up and reach for a crap corner. So I just hope he learned from that mistake and history does not repeat itself.

Thoughts on Samuel, Okudah, or anyone else left of substance?

Vea went with our original pick yeah?

For his wedding, he should pick a random Bils fan and give the 1 million for fun. Hopefully me.

The one thing I will say is that I do not believe they will sign two corners. If they add a Samuel on a long-term deal I don't think they extend Benford. If they extend Benford I think they add a very cheap vet and draft a guy. Meaning I don't think they will pay two corners. Have one long-term guy and one young guy making minimum and churn through that every 4 years. I could be wrong. But just thinking about cap allocation...unless Samuel comes in cheaper than I think.

Jamies Winston? Maybe he is more like plan D

They need to add a starting caliber corner so we don't repeat that same fate. We never addressed the position, talked up Dane jackson and got forced into a reach pick. Not to mention we traded up. It is what it is, obviously it was a mistake and its over. I am simply saying, if this regime really has "learned from it" then they will add a starting level corner here at some point.

man...the noodle arm with George Pickens and DK Metcalf...gonna be fun to sit back and watch the world burn Yeah, I have hated him since draft time. Imagine if we did not get Josh...he was probably going to be the pick. Beane and McDermott would be selling insurance somewhere now.

God I hate that guy

On Cooper Kupp, wasn't there a picture of him online with a Bills hat on? Like is he really a Bills fan? Maybe he would want to come help us win a title.

I feel like with the Bosa deal this shipped has sailed. But as a lot of people have mentioned, Bengals likely don't trade with us anyway.