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I think everyone had that same reaction. I'm just leaning towards the refs not seeing the actual foul vs. they saw the foul and didn't call it to stick it to the Bills or Groot. I replayed it again a few times in slow mo, and Groot actually gets a line on Tua with no helmet on and the RT rakes Groot's face. There was 2 distinct personal fouls not called.

You gotta run it with Kamara on 1st down there. Bad clock management.

You're wrong. The Offensive line is going to singlehandedly win the Super Bowl next week!

May they be 8-9 in perpetuity.

There were a bunch of late flags today. But if the refs didn't see the strike to his face, I can't see anyone talking them into a penalty. Is that something the "eye in the sky" can call down to assess the penalty on?

Yeah, this 3-4 record is truly showing how much of a genius he is.

He seems like the kind of guy that never complains about anything. Which is refreshing. He didn't even lose a step rushing while helmetless. But yeah, that was 1000% a personal foul, and wish he could have drawn some attention to it.

Hopefully just a bit of pain, and no real injury.

And hello Cole Beasley.

A refocused Cole Beasley is just what the doctor ordered for the 2nd half of the season.

A lot of times when the refs call illegal hands to the face, the lineman gets his hands up there and holds it for a long time. On this play, the RT violently punches Groot in the face and his helmet pops right off. The punch only lasted a fraction of a second, so it's more likely that the refs didn't see it than having a personal reason not to call penalties that happen to Groot.

I rewound during a commercial and confirmed it was Groot.

I thought it was Hughes that had his helmet ripped off. But it was Groot. Maybe the refs though it was Hughes too?

The Jets have had some talented players, and Gase was horrible. I'm glad they took Wilson. He definitely has a better arm than Tua, but talk about small frame... I don't know much about Mike White, other than he's 6'5".

Threw for over 400 yards in his first start.

I rewound it, it was Groot not Hughes. The the RT had hands to the face that took his helmet clean off.

I guess you can rip Jerry Hughes helmet off and hey. No big deal.

That's my biggest criticism of Daboll, he seems to go away from things that work and gets too cute trying to out smart the other team. Do what works, and figure out multiple ways to do it.

I think it's a maturity issue, Josh is still young and learning.

This is a good drive for Josh to practice methodical, take what the D is giving football.

So is it not a safety if the ball is muffed into the endzone?

We are really missing Dawson Knox. He's a mismatch, and takes the tip off the defense which opens things up underneath.

And each time, you don't know if he's going to break it or get blown up.

Neither were the Bucs this time last year when they played the Saints and Bears.

Good teams can have terrible first halves. Great teams come out in the 2nd half and have great halves.