PolishPrince

As people have mentioned: Bowles stuck around, Anthony Lynn, Marvin Lewis to a degree Hugh Jackson... Heck Saleh is still around with a terrible team after a year. Pete Carroll was originally fired after one year, Jim Tomisula niners, Mike Mularky in Jax, Jim Mora Seattle, Bobby Petrino in the NFL, Cam Cameron for Phins all fired for just one year and I am sure there is more.

How about Anthony Lynn? Great guy but seemed to always under achieve and for all the complaining this site does about McDermott's time management in game, Lynn had to have been the worst i've seen. Marvin Lewis also stuck around with Bengals for way too long, decent record but could never win in playoffs.

Well since you insisted I carry on, I will a bit. I even re-read your post and re-read mine. Your entire argument of the flow and logic was attributing the overwhelming amount of black players in NFL and college level and the math not adding up. So sure you didnt say even ratios, but its heavily implied it should be a lot closer to so. So if its not even, what is your satisfactory amount? I also think its funny that once Flores and Culley is fired we bring this discussion up, and for some reason everyone forgets about Saleh does he not count? Now lets look back to during last season: Culley, Flores, Tomlin, Saleh 4/32 12.5% of the HC positions were black. If we arent going to go off player ratios, USA is made up of around 7.5% black males, so they were trending above the curve so far (this doesnt even count as Ron Rivera who is a minority coach but no one likes to bring that up). Isnt there still jobs to fill so there is more than the 3 minority Head coaches? Maybe Culley gets another shot, or Frazier, or Leftwich or Bienemy. Didnt like 2 or 3 years ago the NFL had Vance Joseph, Steve Wilkes, Anthony Lynn, Ron Rivera, Brian Flores, Mike Tomlin and Todd Bowles at the same time? Im going off memory and dont feel like going to look it up so I might be off someone not overlapping. But thats ~22%, yet after that year I remember articles and articles about how unfair it is there still isnt enough black coaches (not saying you wrote those obviously). Maybe the extreme uneven ratios is the amount of black players in the NFL compared to whites, hispanics and asians? Why is that not a concern? Because just like coaching it should be the best person for the job no matter the skin color and its stupid to start looking at ratios by skin color rather than merit. Across the USA there are a lot more white football players up until highschool - and really probably college too if you count JUCO and DIvIII (I dont know the stat so I could be wrong on the lower colleges). So if you have more white people in the country, and more white people realizing there potential for NFL is 0, they turn to coaching much younger making them better fit for coaching roles in the future. I do not care what a coaches skin color is and no one should, its dumb. Flores got a raw deal and it sounds like it was more the business side with GM's it does happen to white coaches too (though owner paying for losses is a huge issue). Flores on the field and game prep was a great coach.

This is such a bad argument. Why does it have to be even ratios of race on white to black? I would argue most coaches did not play very long because they simply werent that good, but loved the game - so they transitioned to the coaching side early in their career instead of being banged up and battered for a decade or more on the field. Nothing wrong with this, just saying maybe a player is more "done" after getting beaten up so long. What NFL head coaches were long time players? I can think of Reich and Vrabel, not like I have an extensive knowledge of all the coaches playing careers. Most coaches, Belicheck, Reid, Carroll, Arians, McDermott, Tomlin...even up and coming coordinators and coaches like Dorsey, Kellen Moore had short careers that did basically nothing after college. Look at the new young coaches, Shannahan, McVay, Bengals Zack whatever, Stefanski. They are young coaches because they pretty much went straight into coaching rather than pursue playing. Maybe Byron Leftwhich gets his shot soon? But the argument I see "well players are this, so coaches should be equal ratio or close" is kind of flat imo. Should a woman never get a head coach or coordinator job? No females currently are in the NFL. The part maybe we should ask is why collegiate black players who arent expected to make it at NFL level dont seem to turn to coaching early as much? While typing this I started looking up recent black head coaches, I know Leslie Frazier played. David Culley went into coaching right out of college. Marvin Lewis same thing... BRIAN FLORES (injury prevented him from NFL so he went to coaching). Robert Saleh, Jim Caldwell, Hugh Jackson.

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2022/2/1/22912718/buffalo-bills-have-named-ken-dorsey-their-new-offensive-coordinator Just going off this. If links like this arent allowed please delete

I just want to make it clear I never said Daboll was more qualified than Flores. Hell as sucky as it is this situation, I’m selfishly glad he’s out of Miami he had me worried they were going to be a powerhouse soon. im saying like you mentioned before hand. Daboll was a hot candidate (so it’s not some random head scratcher) I’d still call decently local compared to others…. But most importantly once the bills assistant GM was hired, at least in my opinion it was pretty clear Daboll would be going there too…

I understand your point but apparently 6 NFL teams were looking at him for their OC position. More importantly if Daboll was trying to bring him over to NJ, I would imagine Daboll who worked closest with him would have a good sense, or at least helped teach him how to elevate to coordinator.

I actually took it more as Daboll not trying to take all the credit for Josh, essentially saying its not like it was just his doing. Either way I agree people are blowing it way out of proportion

This is why the Rooney Rule is a joke. It was pretty obvious once Bills assistant GM went to Giants that Daboll would be the favorite - "local" guy with family in the area and already a highly thought of HC candidate across the league it just made sense. But if Giants dont interview a black candidate they get penalized, however if they interview a black candidate even when they already know their guy and its not quite "genuine enough" boom lawsuit. As others pointed out though, IF it can be proven Phins management were trying to throw games - that to me is a huge issue. One thing I just thought of today. With the new rules to encourage minority coordinators becoming HC. I wonder if it would backfire in some cases? Obviously there is now a big incentive to push a minority coordinator to HC somewhere for the draft picks. Do you think maybe a team in the conference would look at that and say "well I sure dont want to give a rival 2x third round draft picks...." For instance people discuss Eric Bienemy should be HC somewhere, but I wonder if a team like the Phins would go "ehhh I dont really want to give the Chiefs a couple extra decently high draft picks." Hell, same with the Bills and Frazier...I am not saying its the right thing to think about, I just wonder if this is something some teams would think about when it comes up?

I mean, I would take them downing the ball at the 15 yard line instead of the 25...

Dont forget WFT and Texans.... Even that powerhouse Steelers offense

Only way that play would have been better is if it was a no gain sweep

Hopefully Daboll gets the Giants job

Daboll..... KC secondary is their weakness... and they are down mathieu and we are playing safe

Seems like we should try doing what other defenses did to us

Daboll sweep play when you need 2 was gut punching

weird considering he was graded well vs pats and was his most snaps all season

It actually Trevor Lawrence since he had nothing better to do

terrible hold on our DT right in the middle of the big run

I didnt realize your last post referred to the Nikki Minaj song... my mistake And yes there is a difference between "couples sharing a bed in a sitcom" to some of the songs available to children openly talking in depth about "activities." Im not gonna quote or say more about whats said because I am not sure if it will cause an infraction here... in examples like this personally as an adult I dont care, but if you want to argue parents sharing a bed vs a song like WAP being played at middle school dancing, thats for a different forum

I mean some of your examples your lumping in is from 30+ years ago. Times and opinions do change over time....

Man I know Beane takes heat for some of our Dline additions, but not paying big money to Shaq and J-Phil are proving smart

I take that personally

I’m concerned about 1 TE active not including Gilliam…

After seeing that clip this looks like a real nothingburger. Its like a one sentence exchange and done with in the heat of the game.