HomeskillitMoorman
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Hopefully he pans out but I'd like to see us go for for a quality CB2 in the offseason even if he does look solid the rest of the way. You need that kind of depth at CB in the league now anyway
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I'd take it if he becomes Robert Woods.
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55 minutes ago, Virgil said:
A lot of people on here have been harping on the offensive talent we don’t have and how we can’t win. However, as our offensive line appears to be improving, Zay looking to be a #2, and if these young kids at WR keep it together, does our list of offensive needs shrink?
Besides a true #1 WR, what is our glaring needs? And if that’s the case, what’s been the problem with the offense? Is it QB play? Did Daboll finally figure it out?
I’m not being sarcastic or attacking any one thing, but it’s interesting how much things look to have changed in a week.
For me, I’m looking for RB, TE, O-Line upgrades if they are BPA, but nothing that’s holding us back. But I also am aware that it’s only been one week.
No, and I really hope 1 game doesn't shift any kind of focus with management.
The O-line needs at least 3 more legit starters and an effective swing player. Zay still has a ways to go to be considered a possible #2. Either way, we need 2 quality WR's, 1 of them needing to be an elite talent, 1 good TE and another solid TE2/quality backup, and a RB.
I'm also of the philosophy that you should keep drafting QB's to give yourself a shot at landing a diamond in the rough. Allen is obviously talented but he's anything but a given at QB.
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Bring him back Woody!
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Phillipians 3:13
13 Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead
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8 minutes ago, leonbus23 said:
From Two Corinthians:
16 Therefore we do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day.
17 For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all.
18 So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.
That makes me feel better. Just wanted to also add Revelation 21:4 -
"He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death' or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."
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Peterman wasn't even a good teammate. That Hail Mary run last week was one of the most gutless plays I've ever seen. He didn't want to risk an INT on his stat sheet even if the reward could have helped the team. It was selfish. Hope this guy doesn't end up on the practice squad and never wears a Bills uni again.
JAMES 1:2-3
Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance.
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His Judgement Cometh And That Right Soon!
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4 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:
I did not know that Marino and Offerdahl were suiting up for the Dolphins.
Dude, we've lost to a lot less than that.
To me it's more about our team, I don't think the consistency is anywhere close to ripping off all of those games. And even if Allen improves and develops, he's going to have some ups and downs.
Yesterday was fun but I really hope it doesn't at any point mean benching Allen, who could actually be the QB of the future, for Barkley to attempt to win now when the ceiling is mediocrity at best. Not saying you're suggesting that, but I'm just hoping the priority is still going to be developing Allen, whether or not that means taking an extra loss or two.
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Ahhh the old classic we're going 4-0 vs the Jets and Dolphins.
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I definitely don't see it. I would love it because it would mean Allen/the offense are getting better. But realistically, even if Allen does improve, he's likely still going to have some ups and downs. And we have yet to see if Matt Barkley went a little rogue with pushing the ball down the field and if McDermott and Daboll want to rein that in or finally let the ball fly.
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2 minutes ago, Thurman Kelly said:
White: Has played well, but it's hard to judge a corner until the opposition has to throw to beat you. We've had very few glimpses of that so far.
Jones: "Flashes" means he's inconsistent, at this point. Hard to judge before he's regularly targeted.
Dawkins: The best of possibly one of the worst O-lines in the NFL is faint praise.
Milano: He's a good value more than he's a great player. Like day old donuts.
Allen: Yet to play ONE good regular season game. Still many excuses for that before he can be fairly evaluated. Complete question mark. At this point, my guess is that he'll be a bust.
Edmunds: Makes a lot of mistakes on the way to the hole on run plays. Is, however, athletic enough to overcome some of his mistakes. Is he coachable?
Phillips: See Milano
Johnson: See Milano
Teller: Good start against a terrible Jets team. Let's see him against a good team.
Last of all, 9 "prospects" in our 3-7 losing lineup isn't really all that impressive. Probably the Jets (who appear to be worse than us) could make the same claim, or better.
I agree with some of this, but I would give a few of those guys more credit, such as White, Milano, Phillips, and Johnson. Those guys have consistently played pretty well. I like Edmunds as well, dude's only 20 and can make plays. Hopefully some of those mistakes will get cleaned up but I do like that he's a possible playmaker.
But I agree, most regimes can claim a handful of quality players after a couple of offseasons. I don't think anything special has been done here as of yet. That'll all depend on Allen.
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4 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:
We all know that this offense has been pathetic. We know that they have traded away a lot of good players. We know that they took on a lot of dead cap space this year and for some reason they have an obsession with Peterman but let's look at the last two drafts. We seemed to have hit on some nice players
Tre'Davious White: Lock Down Corner
Zay Jones: Has shown flashes he can be a very good receiver
Dion Dawkins: Easily Our Best offensive Lineman
Matt Milano: 5th Round Pick but a very nice gem at linebacker
Josh Allen: Has Shown Some Glimpses. Very Athletic but Very Raw. We'll See What Happens
Tremaine Edmunds: Has Looked Fantastic This Season. Will be a cornerstone for a long time
Harrison Phillips: Has Made Some Plays
Taron Johnson: Has played Well This Season
Wyatt Teller: Got His First Start and Looks Like A Mauler
A lot of these guys have been mid to late round picks. I think they deserve credit for the last two drafts that have been put together. I think another solid draft and some nice free agent signings with a lot of cap space we can be a potential playoff team next season
Most regimes, even our past ones, will come up with some quality players they add to the organization.
My hesitancy to give them the benefit of the doubt is how bad the offensive system has been and the complete butchery of management of the QB position.
The make or break will obviously be how/if Josh Allen develops, because none of this will matter if he doesn't turn out to be the real deal. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think this is the coaching staff that can develop a legitimate top quality franchise QB.
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6 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:
McDermott had his team fired up and Bowles team quit on him.
That says a lot of McDermott's ability to motivate, but not nearly enough about his long term viability as a coach.
There are certainly some good young players on this roster, but I'm not going to read too much into what happened yesterday against a bad Jets team. I was already aware of McDermott's ability to motivate.
We've also been blown out quite a bit on McDermott's watch though. They were fired up yesterdasy, but we definitely haven't seen that consistently. We've had our games where we looked like the Jets did yesterday.
1 minute ago, RochesterRob said:Reality is expecting to fire management less than two years into a regime? There were people wanting both McD and Beane gone after the brutal three game stretch last year.
That's so vague though.
This isn't necessarily about McD and Beane, but I ask this because I see general statements like this being made all the time. Do you think a regime should get a certain allotment of time no matter how the rebuilding process is progressing? Even if it's not going well, there should be a standard minimum set of years just given to them simply because it's labeled a rebuild?
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I think he could be a depth WR, which we need. Too early to say he's possibly a viable #3.
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10 minutes ago, McBean said:
Let me begin by saying this was going to get cluttered in the “start Allen or Barkley” thread so I wanted to create this on it’s own.
Serious question I’m asking that I generally want to know...
Has Matt Barkley ever been given a real chance to be a starting NFL QB?
The year we drafted EJ I wanted us to take Barkley. He had a great collegiate career at a top program. He was the #1 overall high school quarterback in the nation and I believe he started as a freshman.
This is not an OVERREACTION. I’m just intrigued by him the more I look into this because showcasing what he did yesterday can’t just be ignored.
Would love to hear from you all that know more about him than me.
Thanks
I conceptually liked what Barkley did yesterday, but even that wasn't necessarily a great exhibition of throwing. He threw some nice balls, some 50/50 balls, and a couple that probably should have been picks but given the situations we were in, I really wouldn't have minded even if they had been INT's.
The 2 big things he did was make a concerted effort to throw the ball downfield and give our WR's the opportunities to make plays. I hope McDermott and Daboll don't try to beat that out of him. The rules in the NFL make those kinds of plays favorable, even if you don't have great WR's. You have to try to take advantage. We also have to try to develop at least a couple of these WR's. Give them some shots.
Ultimately though, I still think talent-wise that the guy's potential is as a solid backup. Even that we have to see if he can do something similar to this more often, but not at the price of sitting Allen down. I'm sure if he sticks around, some opportunities to start here and there will still come up.
1 minute ago, Elite Poster said:Yesterday was 2 dropped INT away from being a very average to below average game.
From purely a stats perspective, yes. But I still would've liked his mindset from the beginning of pushing the ball downfield. One of those drops was on 3rd and 10 that he threw from what I believe was our 40 to around their 20 on 3rd and 10. I don't really mind taking chances like that, it's most likely going to end up being somewhat similar to a punt anyway.
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13 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:
He didn't look like a "good guy" yesterday sulking on the sideline shooting daggers at Barkley. You really think you deserved another chance bro?
I had alot of respect for him as a person even though he was a historically awful QB that didn't belong in the NFL. Not anymore.
I'm NO fan of Allen, but he's been upbeat and positive towards the team even when he's on the sideline.
I won't use it to say whether he's a good human being or not...but I definitely have questions as to whether Peterman is a good teammate or not.
That Hail Mary play last week where he took off running out of bounds was one of the most gutless plays I've ever seen in the NFL. Did he think someone was going to be wide open on that play? There's a reason why it's called a Hail Mary.
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he's smarter than that. However...that lends to the very good possibility that he didn't want to risk another interception being on his stat sheet. That he didn't want to risk having an interception in his name even if the reward could have been helping out his team, no matter how small the percentage was for that to happen.
That doesn't sound like a very good teammate. Really, it doesn't even sound like the Christian thing to do.
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1 hour ago, Bob in STL said:
Stop trying to stir up *****. The people who say he is a good guy obviously believe it and respect him. If they further believe that this true because he is a person of faith that is also their opinion.
STOP trying to take individual peoples opinion and apply it all. STOP trying to create a problem on a sports board. Are you just trying to turn this into a white, male, Christian thing? Don't you get enough of this kind of stupid talk from the mass media news and now you have to bring it to the Bills board?
Sensible people know people of other races and faiths that are great people too. Grow up and think for yourself.
This here is pretty much the problem and why threads like this exist. If someone shares a thought of yours, it's just their opinion and they are apparently entitled to it without question. If they don't, they need to "stop creating problems". This was a civil post that simply brought up a topic and asked the question.
Take a look in the mirror if you need to see someone who needs to grow up.
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3 minutes ago, leonbus23 said:
There might be a bit of bias. But this is for obvious reasons. The great majority of people in this country, and logically, football fans are Christian. Also, Christianity is based a lot on being a good person, e.g. Sermon on the mount, Golden rule, etc. Therefore, if one claims to be of firm Christian faith, we generally view these people as being good guys, since we are also Christian (we project).
Lets complicate this a bit. Does race play a role? Some of the worst or "bad guy" characters in the NFL (Owens, Ray Lewis, Cam Newton, Marshawn Lynch) also claim strong Christian faith, but are never perceived as "good guys".
Personally, I think it is a combination of faith, race, and general congenial demeanor. There is a romanticized collective vision of the "good guy" that has never been historically associated with anything bad or evil. It's an archetype. White, Christian, Protestant, honest, loyal, hard-working, family oriented, articulate, neighborly, duty, etc. Peterman and McDermott both epitomize this archetype.
It reminds me of an old Onion article:
Pro Athlete Lauded For Being Decent Human Being
See the connection to race in this satirical article?
Very well put, and I totally agree that it's a combination of all of those things.
But I think people confuse the part of that being off-putting with being "atheists" or for hating on people who are religious, when to me that's not it at all. It's more of taking a shot at that bias that's being showed to someone when they're seen as one of their own.
I mentioned earlier in this post that when Robert Foster was dropping balls for the majority of his time here before yesterday and when Phillip Gaines was getting torched, there was no rush to their defense by people trying to point out any character attributes. But it's there in almost every single Peterman thread.
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12 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:
If you are saying that coaches, players, media people, and others seem to relate his being a "good guy" and a "man of faith," then, obviously, Nathan Peterman conducts himself in certain ways that those around him see as good and decent, and based, in part, on his strong faith. Why does that beg any greater questions?
Maybe the question is really: If others described him as being a good guy and immediately followed it up with "he does a lot of work in the community and with charitable organizations," would you create a thread questioning whether it was a good thing to connect charitable work with being viewed as a good person?
Or is the issue of faith the problem for you?
I'm just trying to understand what you're saying...
But if you do a lot of work in the community with charitable organizations...you're doing something to earn that label of being a good person.
I think the question here is does being religious automatically earn that label for some people? You hear around here all the time about how good a person Peterman is. We don't really hear that for other players who have struggled. I didn't hear it about Robert Foster earlier this season, or Phillip Gaines.
I will also correlate this with being white...but that good guy label seems to be thrown around pretty easily if you're outspoken about religion.
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22 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said:
Take you're rebellious college attitude to a political forum. Someday you'll learn that whether you agree or not that people are allowed to believe in a higher being.
Nobody's saying they aren't allowed to. What's being questioned is if there is a societal bias towards those that do.
52 minutes ago, The Bills Blog said:On the radio—whether it be Sal Capacchio, Steve Tasker, Bulldog, or guests on various shows—we often hear Nathan Peterman described as a "good guy," and it closely follows that he is a "person of faith." Why is being a person of faith synonymous with being a good guy? Is the implication that NOT being a person of faith makes one less of a good guy?
Does Nathan Peterman's individual religious choice make him a "good guy" in our society? Does this speak to a societal bias towards Christianity?
He's white and Christian, that'll go a long way with a lot of people.
I've thought for a while now that this is a big reason why Peterman's still here. Even though you can point to cold, hard facts about there being absolutely no other reason why he's survived this long on the team, many here will just try to brush it off.
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6 minutes ago, akcash said:
I don't think the offense just suddenly clicked and everything came together magically... No the difference was Barkley... He's the reason the offense came together. I think he deserves way more credit than he's getting.
I like that he wanted to throw the ball downfield, we've just had so little of that for so long. Even a couple he had that were almost picked, I really didn't have a problem with. Interceptions happen sometimes when you let it rip. One in particular was on 3rd and 10 from I believe our 40 and he threw one to around the 20 that the Jets defender dropped. I'm cool with that even if it's picked, it's basically a punt. He took some chances and gave our WR's some opportunities to make plays. This is how we should always be playing, especially in a developmental season like this.
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Allen.
Barkley has the potential to be a solid backup but that's what he is. We're really not going to get anything out of him starting games.
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6 hours ago, davefan66 said:
He Looked good. If he keeps this up, locked in the backup position. Bye, bye Peterman.
Hopefully our coaching staff doesn’t coach what he did out of him. He seemed to just play. Not a robot doing what he was told. Had command of the huddle and winged it.
Haha, this is what I was thinking. The fact that he hasn't been around McDermott and Daboll could've actually been very beneficial. Hopefully they won't ruin him and he can become a serviceable backup.
Offensive Line Continuity
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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As many have already said in this thread here...continuity is nice if you have really good players. We have at least 3 guys on the O-line who are starting that we know are not quality NFL starters. Dawkins is solid and we're hoping on Teller. Major work needs to be done on the O-line. At least 3 starters and a quality swingman is needed.
Yea, and if you remember, that Dallas O-line made a HUGE difference. That offense was really efficient that year.