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    Live 2024 NFL Draft thread - Rounds 4-7 (Do NOT tip the Bills pick)

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    8 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

    If we didn’t fill some of these defensive holes you could give Josh any wr in the league to replace Diggs and he wouldn’t beat an Andy Reid offense in a shootout. 
     

    That playoff game was a good barometer for what things would’ve been like as we got forced into having some big holes due to multiple injuries in the same position group and man did the chiefs take advantage. 
     

     


    What about the 2 other times when we didn't have a bunch of injuries and KC still put up 40 in both games?

    Live 2024 NFL Draft thread - Rounds 4-7 (Do NOT tip the Bills pick)

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    6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

     

    He isn't close to the best ever. He is arguably the most physically talented ever. That's a different question. 

     

    He is easily our best QB ever. Who would you take in our history over him? 

     

    EDIT: Nevermind, I saw the context of the post you were replying to, I think you were saying he's easily not the best ever in general if I have it right, not the Bills. I would definitely challenge you on it if you're saying he's not the Bills best QB ever. 

    Live 2024 NFL Draft thread - Rounds 4-7 (Do NOT tip the Bills pick)

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    3 minutes ago, Locomark said:

    Too many fan takes here have 3 basic premises: 

     

    1)OMG we didn’t double dip in the low rounds, Beane sucks 

    Reality: he has a plan for a vet and no he didn’t think the 10th best draftable WR was better than Cortland Sutton 

     

    2) KC would be drafting Offense. 

    Reality: KC used 5 of their 7 picks last year in defense. 

     

    3) I watched 2 highlight videos and now I can tell you who our picks should be. 

     

    Reality: this is why mock drafts never pan out because you aren’t a scout. As an aside you also do you know if the guy is not bright, which is what it appears the scouts were saying about guys like AD Mitchell. 

     

    But when KC invests in defense, they get stops in the playoffs. It pays off. When has it ever paid off for us in the playoffs? Our Head Coach's specialty is our biggest liability when it matters most. He can't get it done even when the defense has been invested into more than the offense. 

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    Live 2024 NFL Draft thread - Rounds 4-7 (Do NOT tip the Bills pick)

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    Posted · Edited by HomeskillitMoorman

    8 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

    I mean did our aging safeties not stand out to anyone in that game? Lol Klein also got absolutely victimized.  this defense doesn’t matter mantra is getting a little tired seeing as the chiefs won with defense all year 

     

     

    The problem with saying this is McD's defenses get smoked in the playoffs by good QB's even when we do invest heavily in it. We were relatively healthy in 20 and 21 and gave up 40ish both years. We can't stop or even slow down Mahomes or Burrow.

     

    I've said it before, but the reality is we stuck with that by keeping McD. We are essentially just moving forward accepting that we need to score 30-40+ points and be near perfect offensively to win games vs top teams with this head coach here...so we do need to load up on offense. 

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    For those that don’t like the Coleman pick

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    2 hours ago, whorlnut said:

    For those of you that aren’t thrilled about the Keon Coleman pick…remember one thing.  Word came out that he was the last receiver left on Allen’s wish list. Thats a big deal. Why would Beane not want to consult the face of his franchise when trying to get him more weapons?

     

    This tells me that Allen’s wish list included Harrison, Nabers, Odunze, Coleman, and probably Thomas. Think of it this way…if worthy, pearsall, or legette were on that list, they would have taken them at 28, or at most 32 for legette. I’m sure Beane would have liked to have traded down another time, but he could have risked losing Coleman.

     

    I wasn’t overly thrilled with Coleman being the guy, but while he might lack separation on tape, and a good 40 time, he also had amazing splits in the 40 and other drills. The drills are where the football comes out in these guys…you know, catching the ball. Haha. Anyways…when you look at the bigger picture with Coleman, it’s not a bad pick at all. The guy is really athletic, has great hands and body control…and most of all…Allen wanted him.  

     

    Keon could end up being a really good player for all I know....but I really hope this reason isn't why we drafted him. And I love #17. But this is a guy that also wanted Ken Dorsey to be the OC. 

     

    But that's not a slight. He's not a talent evaluator. Michael Jordan was the GOAT of the NBA but an incredibly awful GM. They are completely different jobs. Could someone be really good at both? Sure. But there is a learning curve for it, one that Beane and other evaluators have obviously gone through. 

     

    Asking for his opinion? Sure. But I hope the pick was made based on people who spent countless hours studying these guys. 

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    Rd 3, Pick 95: DT DeWayne Carter, Duke

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    9 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

     

    You mean Fraziers defense since McD's first year running the defense didn't do that last year.  

     

    No, this is classic McD apologist propaganda. 

     

    It's McD's team, and his proficiency is defense. Frazier was a coordinator under McD's overall defensive philosophy. If he didn't like what Frazier was doing at any point during that time, he could have worked with him to make changes or fired him. It is the most nonsensical thing to say that if Frazier was such a big problem, that somehow McD is blameless when he held all the power to make any change he wanted and kept him for years. And yes, the D did do it again last year..."but injuries". 

     

    Again, given McD's history of postseason failures and chokejobs...we need to give Allen enough to put up almost a perfect game, because that's what we've seen is needed to beat the Chiefs with McD holding us back. Allen was GREAT in 2 of those games and we still lost. It's just not enough, that is again the reality of the burden of having McD here. 

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    Rd 3, Pick 95: DT DeWayne Carter, Duke

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    5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

     

    You do realize that we are the 2nd highest scoring team in the NFL over the past 4 seasons, our QB is a perennial MVP candidate and averages 5100 yards and 44 TD's over that span right?  

     

    People act like Allen has had no help at all.  Beane traded up for Kincaid last year, we have a young WR in Shakir who just led the NFL in efficiency, catch rate, and yards per target who plays like a mini Deebo, we have a duel threat RB, and signed a quality veteran in Samuel.  Now we just added top prospect in the draft at WR too.  Plus we still have Knox and him combined with Kincaid gives us one of the best TE rooms in the NFL.  

     

    This notion Allen has no weapons is just a gross exaggeration.  

     

    Im telling you now...Allen very well could have his best season of his career this season.  Shakir and Coleman bring some much needed toughness to the offense.  Where was Diggs when the season got late and games got more physical?  Allens INT rate was double throwing to Diggs and Davis than it was throwing to everyone else. 

     

    Allen is going to spread the ball around and now has a guy who can go up and get balls too, which we sorely needed.  We went from drop city to a team made up of guys with great hands and intelligence.  


    Because Josh is a great, generational QB. And for all of those numbers you just gave...what have we won? 

     

    Here's a dose of reality...when the decision keeps being made to bring McDermott back...we KNOW we're going to have to score 30-40+ points in big playoff games to offset the massive liability that he and his defense is here. We know McDermott's D is going to give up big points in big games because that's what he does. We know he's going to make poor decisions on top of that. All of that is something #17 has to overcome. Even when he has and gave McD a lead with 13 seconds left...that wasn't enough for him either.

     

    So yes, we do need more weapons for him to be able to do that when it matters most. He has to do more than Mahomes or any other QB to overcome McDermott. This is our reality, it's been proven over and over and over again. 

     

    When you take that into account...Samuel, Coleman, Shakir, Kincaid, and Knox is not enough unless you're just content with playoffs and losing to KC, which it seems like an inordinate amount of fans are. 

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    Rd 3, Pick 95: DT DeWayne Carter, Duke

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    1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

     

    Let me guess "I dont know his name, he sucks just like Bernard, Taron, Shakir, Milano, and all suck and were the wrong picks of people I didn't know"  

     

    Everyone throwing a tantrum over the guy every team in the NFL has passed on 3 times now in Franklin.  And its only the Bills though making the mistake of not taking future HOF WR Troy Franklin lol


    Nope, I’ve never said this dude sucks. And I’m not a Franklin guy. 
     

    I do think once again that we are falling short of giving #17 the weapons he needs and don’t understand the benefit of the doubt that Beane and McD are getting from some of you on it while McD and the high amount of resources he’s gotten for his defenses have let us down literally every single postseason and every single big moment. 

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    Rd 3, Pick 95: DT DeWayne Carter, Duke

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    3 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

     

    As opposed to "it wasn't that guy everyone has been shouting for, therefore it must be a bust!"

     

    I think that's equally as bad a take. This dude could be solid. 

     

    The frustration is more so that we're headed for yet another season of underwhelming weapons for Josh to throw to. This has been going on for years. Yes, I know the offseason isn't over yet but people have also been saying that for years and then it's still not fixed. I'm not sure how Beane/McD get the benefit of the doubt on this one. 

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