HomeskillitMoorman
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3 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:
Ask Daboll and McDermott, see what their answer is. Probably something along the line of "Process..."
I'll take culture over catches.
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I loved the call. I will never fault a coach for trying to win the game. McDermott would have played for a tie, no doubt.
This reminds me of when people were killing Belichick years ago when the Pats were up by 4 or something and on 4th and 4 they went for it from like their own 30 with 2 minutes left. Their D was getting killed in the 2nd half and he had no faith that they could make the stop, and a 1st down would've sealed the game. It didn't work out...but I would absolutely love that call if the Bills did it, if they had a legit QB.
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I loved the comeback and the game...but I think this past Sunday's game was different. While the Pats game was much more exciting and crazy...I was never a believer in the Chan/Fitz era. I just enjoyed that game for the moment. And because Freddy Action is my favorite Bills player of all-time and he was incredible that day.
While I still don't know about Beane/McDermott...this past Sunday made me feel better about the most important position on the field than I've possibly ever felt. I was too young for the Kelly era and started my football watching during the Flutie/Rob Johnson years.
While it wasn't the most thrilling game in the 2nd half...this game was so incredibly important because it showed a glimpse of what could finally be a legit franchise QB. It's amazing to me that people still at times try to doubt how much you need one. You can see how much Allen's play lifted up the rest of the team, that's what a franchise QB can do more than any other position.
I hope years from now someone makes a thread reminiscing about that game in Minneapolis when Josh Allen arrived.
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This is also part of the propaganda for this regime though...because lots of teams are going to have major cap space for next season. And their foundations are a lot more appealing than ours.
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When I saw the topic headline I thought it was going to be something I'd hate Jordan for...but that was pretty funny.
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Usually I would say no chance...but McDermott's conservativeness might actually give Bama a shot.
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My big problem with an article and book like this is it’s just completely littered with “one assistant says”, “a source close to the team says”, and 10 other different variations of that.
These “journalists” can literally make this stuff up if they want to, and probably do half the time. There’s no accountability for it. And how pathetic do you have to be to request being an unnamed source? If you’re going to put something out there, be man enough to put your name on it.
While I would love for there to be dissension in the Patriots world...it’s so hard to take stuff like this seriously when there’s so few names attached to these quotes.
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If this whole season goes as badly as the first two games...I could definitely see it after this season. They're likely going to have to bring in a new OC anyways. I could see an effort being made to find the right coach to mold and build around Josh Allen if he shows enough promise this year.
I really wouldn't mind swapping out Dick Jauron Jr for someone else.
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I don't care about being 0-2. What I care about is after how much draft capital and assets we put into getting a hopeful franchise QB...which I'm totally fine with...but then completely neglecting any kind of protection for him. That's not going to change in 1 year either. There honestly might not be a single legitimate starter on this o-line, and it's a problem when it might seriously hinder Josh Allen's development this year. I always said I didn't care about the record this year, I just wanted to see a plan and progression, and what I feared about having a lost year of development is what it looks like we're going to see.
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I wish any of our coaches cared that much. It's OK, though. It's hard to win in this league.
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Overall, I would definitely say Marrone. I thought his teams were more prepared, had better gameplans.
What I was wrong about with Marrone, and what I didn't like about him is how conservative he is in the NFL. I'm a Syracuse football fan and I didn't feel like he was as conservative in college. But it reared it's ugly head with the Jags again last year, I think it contributed them to blowing that game to the Pats in the AFC Championship.
The problem is...I don't think McDermott is as good of a coach...and he's even more conservative. I always said I thought last season was a little flukey in terms of us being a playoff team...but I was never going to care about what the records were the first 2 seasons, I just wanted to see progression. I hate to say it...but McDermott reminds me a lot of Jauron. I know everyone wants to point out making the playoffs last year...but I believe Jauron once had a 13-3 season with the Bears. That doesn't make him a good coach.
I wasn't really upset when Marrone left...I was probably overly optimistic with the Pegulas in the fold...but I just didn't expect for us to downgrade on their first 2 hires.
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17 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said:
If Allen fails and the Bills win the Super Bowl during the next five years, this was a great draft
If Allen succeeds and the Bills dont get past the first round of the playoffs for the next five years, then this was probably not a great draft.
I like to play the what if game, and like to evaluate whether or not the decisions made make sense to me or not. But succeeding in the NFL requires it be a strictly based on real performance. Bad luck, First round draft picks that don't pan out, no matter how reasonable the decision seemed at the time, injuries, coaching changes. blah blah blah. If the GMs team win, his decisions were good. If the team loses, his decisions were not good. Which is a long way of saying, it does not matter whether or not I though Allen was worth the risk. For what its worth. I do think it was worth the risk. If the bills are perennial losers 2 years from now, I feel perfectly in my rights as a fan to say the guy making millions to judge these risks for real, needs to go though.I hear ya. If they loved Josh Allen, I have no problem whatsoever trading all that to move up to get him. But they have to be right. And if they're not right, they'll have to most likely find the right guy in the next year or so with a much lower pick. If they loved a QB next year and weren't sure about Allen anymore, I wouldn't complain at all if they went 1st round on one again. It would be bad optics and a hard sell to pretty much everyone including ownership, the fanbase, and media...but I would rather that than have no answer at QB in 2-3 years and Allen being the only guy that we really took a swing on. The QB position is just that important.
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4 minutes ago, Soda Popinski said:
I'll be honest I don't really know if he had any say in who they drafted at QB, they struggled with Kordell Stewart and then Tommy Maddox. But were those Cowher guys IDK. I honestly couldn't tell you who the GM was during that time or if one was fired and hired.
I know they were in the playoffs just about every single year and they went to that super bowl with Neil O'Donnel so they were far from struggling they just didn't have that QB to compete with Aikman/Steve Young. But that defense was fearsome and they could run the ball.
Just using that as an example because that franchise is still chugging along in the playoff hunt year after year and I would kill for that kind of sustained success over say a 25 year period, look at their record since 1993. I'd sign up for that.
I know we did give up substantial resources for Allen, we moved on from Glenn, but not until after Dawkins proved he could be an NFL LT. We traded Darby and Watkins and part of tha capitol was used in part to get Allen and Edmunds. I just like the overall direction the franchise is going, getting rid of high priced players like Dareus and then guys who were going to demand a high salary like Watkins. Does it leave holes in the roster? Absolutely but their heads are in the right place, i.e. you don't go looking for Julio Jones until you have Matt Ryan already on the roster.
I think I just need to see more before believing that their heads are in the right place. Yes, this roster has holes in it right now, but I'm not judging them for that. It's a rebuild, that takes some time. I also probably wasn't overly effusive in praise about making the playoffs last year. It was nice, but in all honesty I thought it was a little flukey and I knew the roster was going to be substantially different in a couple of years after that, as it needed to be.
I will say what I did like was that they continued the rebuilding process after we made the playoffs, and didn't very stupidly decide to go into some kind of win-now mode. There was still a lot of roster re-shaping to do and they did understand that.
It sounds like we agree on things up to that. For me, we have to have that GM/coach tandem that can find/develop a franchise QB. I believe giving them 3-4 total years is really fair, and I'm not even pigeon-holing them into that guy having to be Allen. I think if they go "all in" on him and don't bring in any other legitimate QB prospects along the way and we have nobody if the day comes where they decide Allen's not the guy, I don't really think that's anything different than the failed regimes of the past.
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19 minutes ago, Soda Popinski said:
I hope Allen is a proven starter by then but even if he is not I still want Beane and McDermott to remain with the franchise. All those years Cowher couldn't get over the hump of not having a franchise QB in the 90s and even til 2004. 11 years of making the playoffs and even making the super bowl but not having that QB to get you a ring. The Steelers stuck by him and eventually got a ring with Cowher, then another ring for Tomlin which I really don't think he earned but whatever.
My point is you build your franchise up into a perennial playoff contender by sticking to one direction, and I like the direction Beane and McDermott have the team moving. If Allen busts, draft another, we still got a top 10 talent in Edmunds and a run stuffing DT in Phillips. And we have all our 2019 picks so really we aren't all in on Allen in any kind of way as draft capital is concerned. If we had mortgaged 2019 1st or 2nd round picks I'd be agreeing with you but Beane did it smart.
I like that we didn't give up any 2019 picks...however, I feel like you and a lot of people are using that to marginalize what we did give up to draft Allen. We still gave up a lot of assets to get to that pick to get him. And I'm totally fine with that, you have to have a franchise QB to be a long-term contender. If he turns out to be a big-time QB, nobody will ever care about we gave up, and rightfully so.
But at the same time, I can't agree that if you're giving up that much for a guy, you can simply just shrug it off if he's a bust. I think 3-4 years is totally fair in terms of giving a regime a shot at finding a successful franchise QB. And again, I'm not even saying it has to be Allen within that time-frame. By then, they will have had the time to draft and bring in other QB's along the way to give themselves more than just 1 shot at this. That's the smart way to do it.
As far as Cowher...I just can't look at it that way. If you asked me right now if I would sign up for 1 SB ring over the next 14 years, I would say no. No matter how bad a team is - and I would know - I'm a Bills, Mets, Knicks, Sabres fan..the goal for every new regime should always be to build a dynasty and long term contender. I would not sign up for finding our franchise QB in year 12 of their regime.
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I'll put it this way...if by the end of the 2020 season we don't have an identified franchise QB...Beane should be out. To me, the only way he should survive if Josh Allen is a bust is if he brought in other QB's along the way and one of them emerges as the guy. If he puts everything on the line on Allen and he's a bust and we have no solution after 2 more seasons, that's his own fault.
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2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:
If you're going to put out an Instagram post saying somebody repeatedly beat their kid and dog, you might have to prepare for some backlash of why you never reported it.
Victims often feel scared for their lives and their kid's lives and either don't report things like that themselves or beg family/friends not to. This could all be a scam...but there could also be legitimate reasons for why it was never reported.Obviously, if it is true, she was right about what LeSean is capable of. Not saying I would've done the same, just that it certainly isn't an easy or cut and dry decision if you really are a victim.
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I remember back on BBMB, people kept posting new threads with the Hitler reacting to the Bills signing TO.
My favorite one though I think is the one where he finds out the Bills hired Chan Gailey.
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Not saying this is what it is...could be that she was drunk or just angry and wanted to humiliate him...but it's possible she's getting that all out there in public in case she's in any way scared of him. Scared of what he might do if she confronted him in person.
Or maybe I watch too much Law & Order SVU. But I think it's possible.
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23 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:
...#25?...this guy sounds like a poor gas bubble..........
Sporting News' Vinnie Iyer thinks that Brandon Beane is one of the NFL's worst GMs
Although he’s only had the job for 13 months, Brandon Beane has already made quite an impact as the general manager of the Buffalo Bills.
He’s made a few blockbuster trades, dealing away Sammy Watkins and Ronald Darby in the 2017 preseason before acquiring wide receiver Kelvin Benjamin at the trade deadline. Perhaps most importantly, he constructed the Bills roster that ended the team’s infamous 17-year playoff drought.
Beane will forever be known as the man who took Buffalo back to the postseason.
Throughout his time as Bills’ general manager, Beane has proven himself as a rather savvy executive. He traded players that he inherited like Watkins, Darby, Marcell Dareus, and Tyrod Taylor in exchange for draft picks, selections he would use to move around in the 2018 draft in order to secure players of his choosing.
Although Buffalo is undoubtedly in a rebuilding phase, Beane has seemingly set the team up for long-term success. However, Sporting News’ Vinnie Iyer does not seem to share this opinion. Beane is ranked at No. 25.http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/list/nfl-general-manager-gm-rankings-2018-best-worst/sme9fnw0e3v81xq7bqrkjsexa
I think ranking GM's is pretty tough because of so many organizations that are taken over in different scenarios. It pretty much doesn't make sense to do it. Every situation is different when a GM takes over and how many years into the regime they're in.
Beane is the perfect example because I would basically give him an incomplete right now. We really haven't seen the most important decisions he's made play out yet. Obviously most of the judgement will be based on what Josh Allen ends up being, as it should. Can't build a long-term contender if you can't get QB right.
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4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:
As crazy as it sounds I’m less concerned about the 2018 record than I am the future. If we see that Allen and Edmunds can play, I am good. 2019 is the year where they should be loading up and will have a strong young core and a ton of cap space. If we look like the 2016 Eagles that’s fine. A year from now we could be looking at a real contender.
This is where I am. I honestly think the playoffs last year was a little flukey for this group, it's probably a mediocre at best team right now. Which is fine.
Edmunds is a big deal but obviously for this regime it's going to be all about Josh Allen. None of the other stuff matters if he's a bust. If we win 9 games again but Allen looks horrible, I'd be way more alarmed than if we win 6 but Allen shows a lot of promise.
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Would he have won this if he didn't throw so many screens and swing passes and had lesser talent around him?
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Freddy Action, always!
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1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:
The mood now compared to a little less than two weeks ago is certainly more optimistic. Here's the five stages of grief I went through:
1.) Denial - the draft played out perfectly and they had Josh Rosen sitting there and they picked a kid who looks like the most obvious bust since Jake Locker. Did Goodell read the wrong last name? Is this some sort of cruel practical joke.
2.) Anger - Beane deserves to be fired. All these months of my personal time in quarterback study getting excited about Mayfield, Darnold, or Rosen and then we fricken draft ALLEN!!!! Get the pitch forks.
3.) Bargaining - a lot of people on this board feel my pain. Maybe they'll provide a link to an expert me feel better about the pick. Arizona was reportedly heartbroken which is nice.
4.) Depression - same old Bills. This kid will be a bust and set this franchise back five years. Mine as well look up the 2019 rookie QB class.
5.) Acceptance - he had a bad team around him. He played in a pro style offense where there were few short, easy throws and that brought down his completion percentage. He worked on a farm. Maybe Beane knows more than us and this kid could be great. Screw Josh Rosen.
This is pretty much right on, not only for me, but a lot of posters here because the vibe on Allen is definitely a lot different now than it was before the draft.
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Thank you for posting this in a new thread, I probably wouldn't have seen it otherwise.
I agree with the people that want him to sit for a year but also agree that probably won't happen.
The Ringer & Chris Trapasso: Handing Out Rookie QB Ratings at the 2018 Quarter Mark
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Haha, love the RInger. Pretty good and fair stuff here.
I think Allen could be a franchise QB...but not with the current coaches in place. McDermott has gone 0-2 on offensive coordinators...that's not good. And that's being light on the criticism for him because he's the head coach, the offensive strategy and development still goes through him. So when we see the horrible playcalling and inability to install even the simplest of offenses...that's on McDermott.
I know people will keep pointing to the 9-7 playoff year...but that to me does not come ahead of putting up the right support structure for a possible franchise QB.