HomeskillitMoorman
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Not really. Allen could poop the bed...but that's going to happen here and there with a rookie QB, especially with the lack of an offense put around him by Beane and McDermott. If he does, we'll see how he comes back from it, see if he learned anything.
I don't really know what to make of him yet. His accuracy issues are concerning, and I don't think we have the best coaches in place for his development. Hopefully he starts showing something. I'd rather see him let it rip and air it out than care about trying to game-manage out a win like vs the Titans. But unfortunately I think the gameplan will probably be similar to that.
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I would say maybe 3-3. Allen's going to have his ups and downs, and the bare cupboard that Beane and McDermott have provided on that side of the ball doesn't help that.
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29 minutes ago, no name said:
OP a jags fan?
I actually think it's an angle to try to promote McDermott, like a "be happy we have him instead of Marrone" kind of thing. Even though I think the two are remarkably similar in their conservative style and mediocrity.
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2 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:
Except the Jags have the most expensive active roster and the Bills have the least expensive , by design of course , for both teams. They currently have a roster worth 62 million dollars more than the Bills , so that is a huge variable in your statement.
Basically , the Jags were all in entering the season and Bufffalo was in year 2 of a 3 year rebuild . Hackett couldn't hack it in Buff and has been extremely inconsistent in Jax, I understand Bortles is trash but they obviously felt they could win with him and Hackett hasn't seemed to help at all.
I think both him and St Douglas seats are extremely hot , as well as their GM , who has relied mainly on FA , I don't see many 1st or 2nd year guys having much of an impact . Buffalo on the other hand has drafted extremely well since aquiring McD and next year will be able to put the finishing touches on the rebuild and add a bunch of high quality talent. Jax will be in cap hell and have to start the process all over again.
Sorry I got off topic a bit , but Jax is the perfect example of how not to build a team , while the jury is still out on our beloved Bills , the vision and blueprint they have for this team , long term , is starting to come together and I love the direction they are taking the franchise.
I think Nate "Can't" Hackett is gone this year , followed by St Douglas around week 10 next year.
The last part of my comment there was a joke about people here saying Beane/McDermott earned extra time because of last year. I don't actually think they should stay in Jacksonville. I'd fire them all.
To the point on the Bills, I don't like the vision or blueprint at all on the offensive side of the ball and don't agree that we're on the finishing touches stage on it. We have a ton of holes on offense and a couple on defense as well. But the offensive side is why I feel we're behind.
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20 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said:
Way to take things out of context.McDermott and Marrone are in different situations as you’ll read above.
When ownership expects your team to contend for a Super Bowl and you are 3-7 in Week 11, that’s certainly an offense worth firing.
I think there are some similarities in the logic, which I think is very flawed. If you put the Jaguars situation in ours, a 10 year playoff drought and they had gone 4-12, 3-13, 5-11, 3-13 in the 4 years before Marrone was made head coach, and then in his first year went 10-6 and took us to the AFC Championship game and lost a competitive game and then had a clunker of a year the following season...there would be plenty of defenders here for him talking about how he broke the drought and deserves a few more seasons and how he hasn't gotten to develop his own QB yet. I mean does any of that sound familiar?
I happen to agree that Doug should take blame for the defense as well because he's the head coach...but many on this board try to relieve McDermott of any blame for the offense because of his background as a defensive coach. A good head coach should have significant input on both sides of the ball, and therefore be responsible for the possible failure of either side.
Personally, I disliked Doug for some of the same reasons as I dislike McDermott. One of the biggest being that both are overly conservative coaches. In fact, they've both punted on 4th and 1 on the opposing team's territory in the 2nd half of big games with the season on the line and an offense that was struggling to even make it to mid-field. That's the aura of guys who don't win championships. They both also seem to really struggle with evaluating and hiring the right offensive coordinators.
To talk singularly about their situation...first and foremost whoever's idea it was to give Bortles the extension should be shown the door. At the beginning of Marrone's time here when I heard the rumors about the rift between he and Whaley because he had never wanted EJ had given me hope...but I didn't like his coaching style in the end anyways. If it were me, I'd can them all for the same reason I don't like McDermott going forward...because I think coaches like these are destined for long-term mediocrity. I will always "risk" losing that in the hopes of finding a perennial winner and championship-level coach.
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Well by many on this board's logic, 1 playoff year apparently should buy you at least 3 extra years no matter what happens or what direction the franchise seems to be going. So I guess they should all stay.
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1 hour ago, ChicagoRic said:
In short, did Peterman's weaker arm prompt the coaching staff to stick with big, possession-type receivers heading into the season?
My theory (really flimsy, but there you go) is that McDermott and Daboll thought that Peterman would be an effective game-manager type QB using short and intermediate routes and gave him the big, tall, receivers to fit that game plan.
Clearly, it did not work out that way, but you gotta wonder....
Probably not. And it would've been incredibly bad organizational planning if they constructed an offense based on the "strengths" of Nathan Peterman.
But I"m not sure which would have been worse, terrible planning or the terrible evaluation abilities we've seen on that side of the ball.
20 minutes ago, PittsforDave said:It’s apparent both McD and Beane have issues evaluating talent. I think it was another mistake and not a strategic move.
I can’t believe this staff believed Peterman was the best out of the 3. Just crazy.
They're the same guys who just figured out very recently that speed can help your offense. I mean, it kind of makes sense.
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I said that in the offseason about Cousins, I wanted no part of him.
Even though I think the Redskins are run pretty badly, they were right to not consider him an elite QB and to let him go. He's played pretty badly in every single big game he's been in.
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15 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
No, that IS EXACTLY my point you see. There is all this freaking out over the offense this year when there was no other decisions this offseason that would have made any notable changes to the offense this year. You just reinforced my exact point. Everyone else acts like there was some offensive player that would have somehow changed our fortunes this year.
There could have been notable changes with the offense this year, but the Bills failed on all fronts of that. I don't see your point at all. Just because we wouldn't have made the playoffs doesn't mean the offense couldn't have had more pieces or a better foundation could have been in process right now.
People should be freaking out about the offense. It's horrific and needs a ton of work after 2 offseasons. There shouldn't be this many holes there after 2 offseasons. That's not even getting to the schematic stuff. We are still at least 2 offseasons away from being able to get to everything, and that's even if they are successful ones, which with what we've seen on that side of the ball from Beane and McDermott is so far from a given.
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18 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Hahaha Ridley changes our season??? Why because he had 2 good weeks with a Pro Bowl QB and Julio opposite him? Hahahahaha give me a break. We are still a losing team with Ridley over Edmunds, so stop. In fact, I’d bet all the money in the world you would be calling Ridley a bust and blaming Beane for passing on someone else had we taken Ridley because he would have poor stats this year here in Buffalo.
How is our season any different this year with Ridley and our QB situation with all the injuries on top of that? Are we somehow magically a playoff team with Ridley this year. No, and if you say we are then stop posting cuz you are delusional.
What a ridiculous statement. We are clearly done here, nothing left to discuss. All good, happy turkey day.
PS: And I am following rookie class close, as Inam a football junkie. I’m also not foolish enough to decide rookies careers on half a rookie season. I still take Edmunds at 16, he is looking like he has the potential to be special with all his gifts and is doing fine for his rookie year so far where he seems to be getting better...and still only 20. Others are off to good starts too, but I still see more upside in Edmunds.
I actually liked the Edmunds pick...I just don't like your style of argument. You're trying to downplay Ridley because we wouldn't have made the playoffs with him...but we're not making the playoffs with Edmunds either. There's no 1 player that would have done that.
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1 hour ago, Shaw66 said:
One thing that often bothers me about discussions here is the expectation that everyone is perfect and perfect from day one.
Zay Jones isn't perfect and wasn't perfect from day one. Now he looks okay.
McDermott is a defensive coach. He isn't going to be perfect on offense and wasn't perfect on day one.
What's most important is that the coach makes changes when things aren't right. He had a plan for the offense and he doesn't like how it's gone. So he's changing.
Would you rather have a coach who changes or stubbornly sticks with what isn't working?
I want a coach that's ahead of the curve. Those are the guys that win long-term in this league, the proactive ones, not the reactive.
Is this what we're going to have to expect from these guys? Failure before they know what to aim for?
Do you see McDermott as a coach that's going to be innovative? I've seen the guys who've won long term in this league like Belichick and Reid and they introduce new principles and wrinkles into what they do. I don't see McDermott being that kind of guy. I mean it took them a year and a half to understand how important speed is in the most successful schemes with the rules in place? The good coaches and GM's in this league started to adjust as soon as they saw what was happening with the rules, before they even played, because they could see where the league was going.
That's the kind of coach and GM I want, the ones who are part of setting the trend, not the ones who struggle to mimic them.
1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:Michael Thomas. Mike Evans. Diggs/Thielen. Keenan Allen. All top wideouts on top 10 passing offenses who aren’t particularly fast. There’s one for every Hill and Cooks.
Point being, you need GOOD wideouts. The formula isn’t ‘small fast’, and it’s not some trend our FO wasn’t up to speed on.
I think it's all about a balance and having a WR core that can do a variety of things. I don't think your #1 necessarily has to be a high speed guy, but you want a couple of effective high speed guys in your offense not only for the big plays they can bring but to stretch the field to help the other facets in it.
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Hill is not a gimmick. Most of the plays he's in for tend to work.
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While it's sad...I have to agree that it's tougher to have empathy for someone who would physically/mentally abuse their spouse and baby. Life is hard sometimes, most of us have had some dark times at some point or another. That will never be an excuse to treat other people like that though.
But then there is the aspect of mental illness, and I guess we'll never know if that was a part of what he did to his wife and baby.
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I bet we're #1 in throwing those deep balls out of bounds.
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4 minutes ago, whatdrought said:
Best part of this article is where he calls KB a "deep threat with injury problems."
Unless that injury is obesity, I don't know what he's talking about...
For all the talk about building a culture here...I really don't understand why a guy that consistently plays at a 50% effort level gets to stay here for so long. We really only seem to hear that in convenient situations where it appears McDermott and Beane possibly made a wrong decision and there's a need to find an intrinsic logic for it.
1 minute ago, whatdrought said:I think if Riley walks into the NFL it'll be for the Browns job. Too much sense to come and reinstitute Bakers offense.
I would agree. And they have talent and a solid foundation to start on. I just know if I was getting my big shot in the NFL, if I had other choices, I wouldn't want to be hamstrung by Jerry. It's never a good thing when the owner is the GM because you'll always be the only scapegoat.
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3 minutes ago, whatdrought said:
Dallas is so appealing talent wise (regardless of what you think of Dak) but who the heck in their right mind would work for Jerry.
Yeah, that's definitely a reason why Garrett is still there, he's a total yes man.
All this stuff we're hearing about Lincoln Riley...I'm not huge on him but it seems like the football world is...he's probably more or less going to have his pick of jobs. I don't know why he would pick Dallas if Jerry's going to uphold the amount of control he has over personnel/strategies.
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Race has something to do with the way Peterman's portrayed...but not in the way you're describing it.
I'm white myself, but this is so incredibly easy to spot. Peterman's whiteness and religious views have helped anoint him as this great guy with so much character...what has he actually exhibited to earn that label? The guy looked completely defeated every time he played after the Chargers game. And the Hail Mary run against the Bears because he didn't want to risk another possible INT while the reward could have helped the team, that was one of the most gutless plays I've ever seen.
Also, Peterman's gotten more of a shot than most 5th round picks would have if they struggled even close to this much. He had every opportunity to avenge that historically bad vs the Chargers and came up empty and flat on his face every single time. The idea that he somehow hasn't been given a fair shot is beyond ridiculous.
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3 hours ago, John in Jax said:
Not defending Peterman here, but a few of those Barkley bombs were just thrown up for grabs, and the Bills were damn lucky to have them turn into completions. IOW, there was no separation, and the balls were under thrown.
That's part of the game now though. You have to push downfield and take advantage of the rules in place that give WR's a better shot than the corner on those plays, and for the possibility of pass interference.
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Just wow. We've been blown out in just about as many games as we've been in. And how do they excuse McDermott for the Peterman games when it was his decision to start him?
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I don't get it. In what way did Peterman show perseverance? After the Chargers game, he looked defeated every time he was out there. Didn't even try to push the ball downfield in the first game this year. The run on the Hail Mary against the Bears because he didn't want to risk an INT even though the reward could have helped his team.
The only thing his faith has showed us is the creation of the myth of his character.
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He can have his wings boneless and dip them in mayo if he wants to play here.
Otherwise, yes...disgusting. Offensive to the cows that give their life to feed us that wonderful cut.
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1 minute ago, Nanker said:
That's right... no growth.
He's still listed at 6'5".
https://www.buffalobills.com/team/players-roster/josh-allen/
What about his hands?
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5 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:
I bet we draft one high and maybe one in the mid-rounds next year.
As long as that's supplemented with at least 2 more high quality players from free agency/trades, that could be OK.
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10 minutes ago, Rebel101 said:
I believe you go with the hot hand and start Barkley. I think he earned himself one more start. I understand Allen is the future but they originally wanted him to sit anyway. But what if he does start and looks the same or worse then he did before injury? He was making some better throws in the Texans game. He didn’t play great but he looked alittle better so what if after sitting and learning from Anderson and all that he doesn’t look any different then what he did before the injury? Do we start to worry? I mean the main reason Josh Allen was even considered such a high pick was because of Carson Wentz and their numbers are no where near the same
I really don't think the plan was ever to sit Allen for the entire season. If you're rolling with only Peterman and Allen to start the season and your plan is to sit Allen the entire season...I mean I've let McDermott and Beane have it but even I'm hoping that wasn't their plan. We have serious problems moving forward if that's the level they're at, given the fact that they had a terrible plan in place even with the assumption that Allen was going to start at some point this season.
They have to get Allen the experience. Could Barkley play better? Possibly. But he's not a real prospect for the future. We definitely should have had someone like him on the roster to begin with, just a half-decent guy that is willing to try to push the ball downfield and help our WR's develop. instead of throwing developmental games away with Peterman...but the biggest priority at this point is seeing if Allen is the guy.
We discuss a million topics on this board about so many players and positions...none of that will matter if we don't find the answer at QB1.
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If the Chiefs offered Patrick Mahomes for Josh Allen straight up, would you pull the trigger?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Yes. And I like Allen.
But Mahomes looks like an all-timer. I wouldn’t even hesitate.