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5 hours ago, Nextmanup said:
This point was brought up in the post-game radio show with Schopp & The Bulldog.
Perhaps that was you calling in?The answer as to why we do this is what Schopp said: it's the way McDermott wants to play football. He wants to slow the game down to a crawl, shorten it, play tight defense, and win every game 10-7.
I am of the opinion that this philosophy absolutely does not work in the NFL in 2018. We are possibly THE MOST conservative/cautious team left in the league at this point. Not good, if you're a Bills fan.
I couldn't agree with you more; we threw away that possession at the end of the half and that is losing football. Which makes sense, given that we lost.
McDermott's penalty flag challenge was also bad, as almost ALL of his challenges have been since he arrived here. We clearly do not have a competent system in place to ensure proper challenges and eliminate poor challenges.
It's another sign of bad coaching/lack of organization.
Yup, agree with all of it. I haven't really even gotten to the challenges. He is horrific with them, and you're right, the system in place is on him.
I keep seeing excuses made for him, like "the OC wasn't getting the calls in quick enough" or "he's told from someone upstairs whether to challenge or not"...but these are all part of the systems and people he has in place. That's all part of being a head coach and why it's a big job. It's all on him.
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I don't like either guy so that's a tough one.
McDermott is McDermott and McCarthy won 1 SB with 13 years of Favre/Rodgers.
Tough choice, and not really in a good way.
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17 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:
Conservative? Like going for a Hail Mary instead of a long FG?
I honestly didn't have a problem with either going for the Hail Mary or long FG there because it's kind of no-man's land. I didn't feel like there was necessarily a "right" call there. The Hail Mary didn't work but whatever, I'm not getting on him for that.
It's what led up to that. Not even counting the butchering on the other side when McDermott didn't call the timeouts that was the reason we ran out of time...it's that he was completely indecisive when we got to the 41 and had to burn a timeout because he didn't know what he wanted to do. That 5 seconds was enough time to run a quick play and call a timeout. If we grab a few yards, we can go for the FG. If not, you can still attempt that Hail Mary.
The problem here isn't the outcome, it's that McDermott didn't optimize what he had to give the team the best opportunity. And that's a big part of his job. And he's terrible at it.
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18 hours ago, MJS said:
I've watched a lot of football in my life. I can tell you that every coach makes game management mistakes. Every single one.
I haven't seen anything to tell me that McDermott is worse at managing a game than other coaches.
Coaches make mistakes because there are an infinite amount of variables to consider. Fans usually look at the situations with hindsight.
The hindsight nonsense is such a cop-out here. What part of this is hindsight? Maybe we end up scoring points if McDermott uses his timeouts there and we have more time on that last drive. Maybe Josh throws a pick-6. I'm not pretending to know what would have happened. What we DO know is that it was a possession wasted because we ran out of time because he didn't call those timeouts when there was no drawback to not using them. He left a possession on the table, that's not hindsight, that's fact.
17 hours ago, PlayoffsPlease said:There are not. Time left. Time outs left. Field position. Which team has the ball. There is an optimal decision about taking/ not taking times outs for each situation. Good coaches don't use their gut or figure it out on the fly. They know exactly what they are going to do in a given situation before the game begins.
Boom. Can't say it any better or more concisely than that.
17 hours ago, MJS said:Sounds wonderful. Doesn't actually happen in games.
Yes it does. All the time. Good coaches take advantage of getting an extra possession wherever they can, especially in the scenario we were in where there was literally no drawback to it.
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18 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:
I'd love to see evidence of any team doing this? I can't recall seeing that happen. In the 2nd half in the last two minutes of the game, yes,, of If they were inside the Miami 10, then yes, makes sense. But you're taking alot of risk in giving Miami a lot more time to run run plays. They could lose 10 on an offensive holding penalty, then next play a defensive holding so automatic 1st down. By taking timeouts, you give the team time to run more plays, more time to potentially score.
Give me examples as I can't recall a team calling a time out in the fist half when the other team is driving deep, key here 1st half and driving deep.
Teams do this all the time. Miami was with almost 2 minutes left and still had all 3 of their timeouts. That's an eternity when you're already that deep, and if they needed any extra time for any of their plays, they had their own timeouts to use. Time for them was not an issue. There is literally no reason for us NOT to call timeouts. You'd get yourself an extra possession at the end of the half with a good amount of time without sacrificing anything to the opposition. McDermott literally chose not to do that.
18 hours ago, Bill_with_it said:This is an ll around bad thread. Too much hindsight. There is literally no way any of you questioning the end of the first half decisions by Sean thought the team would make it to the 40 considering the first half. Too many penalties and struggling to move the ball. Alot of the last call there was on the OC; numerous times theough the game Josh is looking to the sidelines motioning that the call needs to come in quicker. This game isnt on the HC.
It's not hindsight at all, in any way. I never said we would have scored if he had called the timeouts. I'm saying he butchered the OPPORTUNITY for us to potentially score. And I wouldn't blame McDermott if Josh had more time and more plays on that drive and threw a pick-6. If that happens in that spot, oh well, I can live with that because strategically it is still the right play. You still have to have confidence in your offense and give them that extra possession with as much time as possible.
No matter what would have happened, it is horrendous game management to not call timeouts there to give us a possession at the end of the half with more time on the clock. And yes, if the calls aren't coming in faster even if it's from the OC, that is ultimately on the head coach. That's why he's called the HEAD coach. The OC is an extension of him and answers to him.
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18 hours ago, Rc2catch said:
For me anyways he seems to base these kinds of calls on how the team is playing.
When they are executing plays effectively he doesn’t seem to mind being aggressive. But when they’re struggling to run the simplest of plays and picking up penalties non stop he seems very scared to risk anything. You can look at it two ways, when the team is struggling maybe an aggressive playcall sparks them, or maybe an aggressive playcall causes more damage.
I didn’t like the safety challenge, or waiting to call the timeout when there’s 10 seconds on the play clock before halftime.
Being a newish coach still I expect these kinds of mistakes. And I prefer he learns from this stuff on a lost season than say when the games mean more in a real playoff hunt.
I don’t want to see this team this year in a playoff game. Has embarrassment written all over it
I can't agree that it's based on how the team is going because there's been a pattern of this going back to last year. The being a new coach thing was an excuse for him last year, one I don't really agree with. That's all about preparation and strategic thinking. But even if you did want to give him that, it's year 2 now. There's no way those should just be mistakes. I think it's more of his conservative nature, and I actually think that's less insulting to him. If it's literally that he's a "new coach" in year 2 and can't process a situation or what he wants to do fast enough...I think we have even bigger problems. I just don't like the conservative nature.
18 hours ago, MarkAF43 said:DId you just call WGR?
Haha, no, I'm out of state and have never really listened to WGR. I tried it out a couple of times but just kind of found it boring. I listen to stuff on the Ringer the most often.
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13 hours ago, BB@Shooter said:
Probably better give him a little more time before you pigeon hole him into whatever category you are leaning now. He is a raw rookie who keeps improving quickly . Are you guys not watching what the other rookie QBs are doing? Why the rush to even start questioning him. That was his seventh game. And he is making throws out of the pocket. He could probably make more but his line breaks down too fast. Do you not see how many tackles he breaks and how many sacks he gets out of? Are you guys so blind you can't see what he is bringing to the table? Allen started slow today. I have seen that tendency in him at Wyoming. But when he is on, he is almost unstoppable.
Do you think Shady and the other veterans would share your thinking? They are in the trenches with him and know what good QBs look like. I think if they posted on here they would laugh at you and roast you. Before it is all said and done there will be GM's wondering why they didn't pull the trigger. And it will be because they worried too much about stats and couldn't see past it like you guys. There is nothing he is doing that can't be fixed. I think you guys are trying to overthink it so you can tell everyone you had it right all along. I catch posters on this board who have flipped over towards Allen and only a few weeks ago they said he would be a journeyman qb at best. Now they are singing his praises and thinking no one remembers what they said about him.
If Allen stays healthy he is a franchise qb. If you can't see that I guess you can sit back and try to pick him apart and act like some kind of QB whisperer. I don't see any great knowledge coming from you. Just someone riding the fence waiting to see which way the wind blows. I usually like your posts, but now I am starting to see through you. I guess not everyone can be on the bandwagon, or it would get boring.
Good post.
What I posted was the exact opposite of pigeon-holing Allen into anything, I think I mentioned like 3 different times in that one post that it's hard to say what he's going to become. I've also lauded his escapability and talked about how he's made plays in spite of the o-line, lack of weapons, and conservative coaching. I created a thread about McDermott butchering the end of the first half that basically wasted an entire possession for him. To say "nothing he is doing can't be fixed" is incredibly vague. Can accuracy substantially improve? Absolutely, but it doesn't for way more QB's than it does. I do think for him it can enough to where with his other playmaking abilities he can be a franchise QB, but I need to see more.
The rest of your post, and at least a couple of your responses to other people here are so fixated on message board agenda paranoia. I understand a lot of people have one, but that's not everyone. I'm not trying at all to "ride the fence" on Allen, I've pretty much said since the beginning that I don't know if he's a franchise QB and that I simply wanted to watch him play. I didn't watch one second of him at Wyoming. Frankly, unless anyone works for a team or went to Wyoming and is a fan...I would be kind of concerned about people who did spend their free time watching Wyoming games. My honest take is that there are things that I like about him, more than any QB we've had since I first became a fan which was during the Flutie years, but I need to see how much his accuracy and anticipation progresses. I don't think I've written anywhere at any time that I'm trying to impart some kind of great knowledge. I don't see any from you either with generic comments like "nothing he is doing can't be fixed". I don't rewatch games or look at all-22's or breakdowns, let alone for other QB's or teams. I've never posted an "I told you so" about Allen here after pretty much being neutral on him.
There are other things about the team I'm more strongly rooted in my opinion about, like McDermott's shortcomings as a gameday coach. I can and will back that up all day against anyone with examples and factual evidence. I don't pretend I have that with Allen on the broader scale of calling him a franchise QB, I don't think we've seen enough. I don't really get why people have to choose a side with him at this point. But you go ahead with your little fishing expedition to "catch" people who you think are changing opinions. On a rookie QB. Who's played like 7 games. Totally out of line for anyone to not have a definitive statement on him already.
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The end of the first half was so badly butchered, and we saw this same exact nonsense go on last year. Why are we not calling timeouts with almost 2 minutes left with the Dolphins having the ball inside our 10? You can not give up possessions like that. That’s losing football.
No matter what they did there, we should’ve had so much more time than the 40 seconds we were left with after we didn’t call anything. And then of course we run the ball on the first 3 plays before finally passing, and then are completely indecisive with 5 secs to go and end up burning the timeout when we could’ve tried to run a quick play to get us a little closer.
And then the 4th and 2 from past midfield that EVERYONE knew we weren’t going to actually snap and just try to “bait” the D into offsides.
I just don’t understand it. Isn’t the point to try to win the game? Not just to stay close? Especially when you have a QB that was making plays. I will never blame a coach for being aggressive to try to win the game if it doesn’t work out. But giving away possessions and being conservative is not winning football.
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7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
Really strange game to evaluate. I thought Josh was off in the passing game most of the day, but he made a couple of fantastic throws - the second TD in particular - and he made a lot of plays with his legs.
I still need to see more consistency throwing from the pocket. That is how you ultimately win consistently in this league.
Totally agree. I’m still not totally sure where I sit with Allen other than he’s fun to watch and I love his competitiveness and playmaking ability.
But ultimately you’re right, it’s the best pocket passers that ultimately usually win it all. The really bad misses he has are disconcerting because those have nothing to do with weapons...no matter who it is, if they’re that open, you have to have a QB that can hit them. And then there are definitely plays that could go differently if we had a better o-line and better weapons.
The other thing that’s going to happen is teams are going to start making more of an effort to contain him in the pocket, even at the expense of rushing him, because sometimes he really is just better off making something happen on a broken play.
At least right now we can say it’ll be fun to watch...and I like the guy...but it’s really tough to say what he’s ultimately going to be.
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Never. I only ever went there for the message board. I never liked their content or Chris Brown, the biggest shill on the planet.
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I'm not sure I'd keep him on the roster over Isaac McKittrick if it came down to them, but I like what I see from him so far as a possible depth WR.
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I disagree with Chris that this was his most consistent or best game. But I disagree with Chris on most things.
But I like Edmunds, he's a playmaker. I'm OK with a young player making mistakes if they're out there trying to make plays. We'll have to see if he learns from them, that'll obviously be the big key, but the dude's certainly got talent. I know some people have said he might be better suited for the outside because he has struggled against the run, and I get the rationale, but I think that could still change.
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6 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:
Alexander is someone I love and hate. I hate that he is missed on the field when he's not playing but love the way he plays. He's not particularly good (of course, IMO) but he seldom makes mistakes. When he avoids the mistakes he can make plays unless he is overmatched or physically unable. But he uses his head/smarts to overcome these things and is Steve Tasker of the linebackers.
Kyle Williams is as good as any backup DT in the league. For that reason alone he is worth keeping on a rotational basis but I'd be real likely to draft a DT as early as the second on BPA.
If both come back so be it. This team has needs and those needs are already at LB and DT. Leaders will come out on their own.
I'd agree with this. They need to plan for their departures regardless because you never know, but I think both are still valuable as rotational players and as leaders.
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"We'll still always be 4th and 1 from the 40 Punt Brothers for life."
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I didn't mind that he basically rejected the man-hug.
But I thought what he said was stupid. Hue didn't quit and join the other team in the state. He got fired. At that point, he's gotta do what's best for him, just like Baker would in his shoes. This idea that he shouldn't go to the Bengals out of some kind of loyalty to the team that fired him is a joke.
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Just now, NewDayBills said:
Dude.... We have 91 million. Look at what Sammy Watkins got! I'd rather have LeVeon Bell for that kind of money. A weapon is a weapon and Bell can hurt you on the ground or in the air. Give him a 3 year deal that is heavily incentive driven that we can get out of in 2. He's the biggest free agent on the market.
I would be interested in a deal like that...but he's not going to be.
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Bring back Bobby April!
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2 minutes ago, snafu said:
I honestly see him coaching the Jets next season. Bowles is toast, and Marrone will probably try a second time to wrangle his way to NY.
I think there's a better chance Rex gets a second shot in NY. Woody still loves that guy, he didn't like Marrone.
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Just now, Gugny said:
And he coached himself out of winning the AFC Championship Game.
That drove me crazy, and that's why I don't like conservative coaches. It's my fear with McDermott in a possible big game.
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Unless there's a guy on the staff that the owner thinks is a competent interim coach, especially with 5 games still left, they probably wouldn't be all that honest about his status.
I really don't think this means anything in terms of whether he'll get canned or not.
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I don't want that much of the cap tied up in Bell with all of our other needs.
But wow...this whole thing about him not being a "McDermott guy"...what does that even mean? I've seen Kelvin Benjamin, who he know from his first go-around, give us some horrific efforts in his time here. I've seen Peterman look completely defeated when he's come in, really not even competing.
Either way, while I do think a young RB is a need, I'd rather get one from the draft and spend the bigger resources on the O-line and at WR.
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1 hour ago, HappyDays said:
Excellent breakdown as usual. This was my favorite game of the season bar none. I was happy to see us shut Ramsey up. No matter how good you are as a player you should never be giving your opponent free bulletin board material. As we saw in this game that kind of thing matters.
Jacksonville looked like a team that could contend for a Super Bowl if they had even average QB play. If they had average QB play today we might have been blown out of the water. But I'll take it. I just want to see Allen develop this season and considering how he played I wasn't going to be disappointed regardless of the final score. Admittedly after the fight I was very invested in seeing us win and I'n happy we pulled it out.
With regards to the part I quoted, McDermott said in his post-game presser he will not discipline Shaq Lawson for the fight because he wants his players to defend themselves. I think the whole choir boy narrative is overblown. McDermott doesn't want perfect human beings, he just wants players that are committed to the team. He walked away from the fight with blood on his clothes. I don't think he's upset with anyone on the team about how that played out.
Well to be honest this team had earned the "soft" label after what Gronk did last year in what was one of the dirtiest, cheapest shots I've ever seen and then saw our guys do absolutely nothing about it. I was so mad about that.
I was happy to see some of our players defend themselves today. You absolutely have to. I'm still irrationally holding out hope that we'll get revenge on Gronk but it probably won't ever happen.
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On 11/21/2018 at 6:54 AM, 3rd Inning said:
Yes.
Looks like someone failed EJ 101.
Well done. That was my favorite EJ excuse for years.
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5 hours ago, GoodHands15 said:
I’d like to know what his stats would have been if not for the few drops he had/called back on penalties.
He threw a couple off balance darts that were right on the money
I was cool with how Josh played today.
But every QB has drops and plays called back. Everyone’s stats would look better if you factored that in.
McDermott’s conservative garbage
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It's not a hot take at all, competent coaches optimize their team's opportunities. He didn't right there. As I've said, I'm not assuming we score with more time and I wouldn't have blamed McDermott if we had turned it over with more time and more plays to run. That's part of the game if that happens, but you have to give your team that opportunity.
McDermott sat on his timeouts when the Dolphins got inside the 10, he let a bunch of time go off the clock before the Dolphins ran that play and finally called the timeout with around 45 seconds or something left. There was no reason to do that. They're already inside the 10 with like a minute and a half and had all 3 of their own timeouts, they weren't in any kind of time crunch and we weren't helping them by calling timeouts. They could have called their own if they needed more time on anything. There is no disadvantage whatsoever to use your timeouts in that position. I'm all ears if you come up with anything.
If you want to say the runs at the beginning of the last drive were to make the Dolphins burn their timeouts...I disagree with the strategic view behind that but I can at least see the logic. I don't like being that conservative but there is some kind of rationale that you can fall back on there, which you can't for not taking the timeout when the Dolphins got inside our 10.
As for the FG vs Hail Mary...I really didn't have a problem with that call either way, but I don't like your logic behind it. It's not because he missed a 55 yarder later in the game. He also missed an extra point, does that mean a 40 yard FG would've been out of the question there too? But it's a long field goal, no real issue for me with the Hail Mary after the timeout.
But yes, totally agree on the timeout. That was all because of indecisiveness. That's what McDermott struggles from. He's not prepared. His coordinators are not prepared. There are times when his bad management comes from his incredibly conservative nature, but sometimes it is because he just flat out doesn't know what to do. This is a big problem. It wasted a precious down. If we run a play with the timeout the way we should have, we likely still have the same two options if it's incomplete, or possibly a shorter FG if we make a quick play for a few yards.
It's just inexcusably bad game management.