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Not arguing here just curious because I'm from Rochester so don't see stuff like that...what have they put money into that failed?

if public financing is tied to some guarantee about ticket pricing then I’m much, much more okay with it but not sure that would happen.

Here is a really great resource for anything Bills stadium related and also anything stadium related - https://www.fieldofschemes.com/category/nfl/buffalo-bills/ I was furious when the initial reports of the Pegulas wanting the stadium 100% funded by the public & would be furious if it ends up being anything worse than a 50/50 split. The community benefit (as described in tremendous detail throughout the above link) is always vastly overstated and the Pegulas would clearly benefit the most. They own the team so that's not unreasonable but to take advantage of the team's success to bend over the WNY taxpayers is obscene particularly if the price tag is the insanely outrageous $1.5 billion and very particularly if it is an open air stadium, and yes even MORE particularly if it has to include upgrades for anything related to the dumpster fire Sabres. To the point of open air vs. dome and the whole idea of home field weather advantage...what on earth are you all talking about? We're good now but where was that advantage for almost 20 years? Also, do you really even want the chance of weather causing havoc or maybe even being a deciding factor in a home playoff game? I've seen the Colts game cited as an example but just look at the Ravens game last year. No blizzard but the wind definitely hamstrung the offense. I'd rather eliminate that altogether. Also discounting the Colts game as an aberration is a bit weird because I'm not sure if you've noticed but Buffalo can get some pretty spectacular winter weather. It could easily happen again. I don't see the team moving but I also think that its naive to think it is 100% out of the realm of possibilities. Yeah the Pegulas kept the team in Buffalo but if you think they care or that the NFL cares about anything other than $$$, you're delusional - both have demonstrated that. Some have said that Austin wouldn't make sense...why not? It's a much bigger city that's growing exponentially and could easily support an NFL team.

I initially read ornery as...um...a different word and was about to say TMI

Right. If that's the price tag, then it had better look like the Vikings pad...that thing is amazing (sorry birds).

@blitzboy54 specifically said sales tax. Sales taxes are pretty much always regressive taxes.

We're definitely doing a lot of speculating but I really don't think an outdoor WNY super bowl is a great idea.

Only if they build a dome & even then that's not terribly likely.

Honestly even without the possibility of concerts or other events it should be a dome. The whole cold weather advantage thing is a total canard.

Fundamentally I think you & I probably agree on quite a bit and I do agree that a lot of the WNY identity is the Bills. I only hope that the Pegulas do not exploit that for their benefit. If they do ultimately come out & ask for a 100% funded stadium then go ahead and move the team...we can find a new identity without them.

I hate that our taxes subsidize socialism for the wealthy and that's pretty much exactly my point. Buffalo is one of the poorest communities in the country so a freaking stadium is pretty low on my list of priorities for the area.

If it was more profitable - or is more profitable sometime in the future - for the Pegulas to move the team out of Buffalo, they would have done it. To view their purchase of the team as altruistic is horribly naive. Buying an NFL franchise is q very sound investment and once the new TV deal is made, the owners will be printing money.

I'm going to wait a while to see how this develops before I potentially go absolutely nuclear on the Pegulas. However to all of those vilifying Jerry Jones (and don't get me wrong, he sucks a LOT), I will remind you how much of his own money he paid for his new stadium.

I think a new stadium is due. I'm fine with it being in OP and I generally would prefer a dome over an open air stadium, especially one with those stupid canopies. I get the appeal of the elements but if there's even a chance that the sometimes VERY bad WNY weather could have a serious impact on the game then I say go with a dome. Imagine if a playoff game ends up having weather like the Colts blizzard game...that would suck (in my opinion). A retractable roof would be cool but also a waste of money considering how many times the roof would actually be open. One thing that I want to address is the cost of the stadium and how it would be paid for. It's unlikely but I really hope that Erie county and NYS don't don't write blank checks for the stadium regardless of the cost. The new TV deal works out to 300+ million per team per year and the Pegulas can pretty much count on fans filling the stadium because that's what Bills fans do so they won't exactly be strapped for cash. Additionally, NYS is going to be strapped for cash post-COVID, so even without the cost of a new stadium, there would likely be cuts, increased taxes or more likely a combination of the two. A new stadium would definitely get public funding and tax subsidies but if this will end up substantially costing the community in other areas then I'm honestly against it and I'm sure I'm in the minority there. WNY always gets the short end of the stick so I'm afraid that any budget cuts will disproportionally affect the area. TLDR: If Terry and Kim want a shiny new stadium then that's fine but they need to pay a big chuck of the $$$.

That's pretty much the exact opposite of communism, but okay. Can you clarify which part of the Bill of Rights applies here?

I might get roasted for this, but I hope the Bills trade this moron tonight.

I think they shot it into his head. How have McD and/or Beane not told him to shut the heck up yet?

His flu related tweet is really the icing on the cake & shows what a moron he is. He's embarrassing himself & the organization. Good lord do I hope that Josh doesn't take any advice from him.

Star has a family and might have a heart condition so it seems like he kept his health and his family's health in mind when making the decision. Rousseau decided to step away to help out his family, particularly his mother who was really struggling during the pandemic. If that doesn't make sense to you then feel free to read any of the numerous articles that go into detail about his decision. If you did read about Gregory's decision then I'm not really sure what else to tell you. The only similarity that I see between those two scenarios is that they put concerns of health and family above football and I don't really see why that would be something to be critical about in the least.

For as much as I've supported Motor in a bunch of threads, I think you're 100% correct. We didn't see a ton of him but he seems to do a bunch of things very well. Not going to get 200 yards in a game but we don't need that. Call me overly optimistic but I see a lot of Fred Jackson qualities in Moss...just need to get him a signature end zone celebration 😎

That's a fair point but those Bills teams that Marino lost to were also hardly the 2020 Jets...they were awfully stacked on both sides of the ball. For me the pretty easy answer is Marino and that is absolutely no knock on Kelly because he was obviously an all time great player. There are almost too many factors to consider to really make an accurate ranking of Marino, Kelly and others but just from a arm talent standpoint Marino has few if any peers over the history of the league.

I also love the armchair fitness gurus that just think more muscle has to equal slower. I tend to trust the training methods of a freaking professional athlete.

Exactly. Regardless of what we all think about him I think that the takeaway from what we've heard about his offseason is that he's working his tail off and trying to get better. Whether it translates on the field is yet to be seen but I would hope that we can all appreciate his commitment!

He also looked quite good in 2019 when most here thought he was underutilized. Now he simultaneously sucks but yet is also valuable enough to trade for draft capital. Weird!

I'm stunned that so many think that was a game changing play. Did it suck? Sure. Would that have changed the end result? Hell no. Actually scrap that, I'm not stunned because its just what we do here but thank god the organization isn't the same way anymore. How many years did we suffer through front office morons thinking that investing draft capital in the RB position was a good way to go?