ChiGoose

What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

There are things we can do to reduce gun deaths even with 2A. Not everything is just banning all guns. But because a significant minority of this country cannot understand the basic fact that it’s the easy availability of guns that cause gun deaths (and not whatever stupid thing they make up as a post-hoc justification for doing nothing), I’m not sure anything will get done. Once we decided that we were ok with kids being gunned down at school, we ended hope of even trying to save lives.

There are different things we could do to start reducing gun deaths without preventing law abiding citizens from having guns. But there’s no point in discussing possible solutions to a problem that half the people here don’t seem to believe actually exists. Apparently some people are perfectly content with dead kids so long as they aren’t mildly inconvenienced. Weird coming from the “protect kids from the gay penguin book” crowd.

The individual right to own a gun has been a long recognized Constitutional right dating back to… 2008.

Nothing has to give if a pile of children’s corpses doesn’t bother you. There is absolute zero point in discussion potential solutions to the gun violence problem with people who cannot understand basic facts about why we have one. Some people just find it easier to let kids die than to accept reality.

Conservative explanations for US gun violence: - Mental illness (but don’t you dare spend $1 to help people with mental illness) -Doors -The gays - Not enough guns -The progressive prosecutor movement that began well after the gun violence epidemic began (time traveling progressive prosecutors?) - Not enough guns - Barack Obama - Americans are inferior people who like killing - Single parent families - decline of religion - Abortions - Cities - Not enough guns - Joe Biden - Literally anything that can be linked to a Democrat, no matter how dumb -People being mean about cops - Teachers not having guns What the rest of the world, researchers, scientists, and literally everyone else who understands basic root cause analysis clearly sees as the obvious reason: - Easy access to guns

If the problem isn’t the guns, why do we have such a higher rate of gun deaths than our peer nations? If you start controlling for variables, the answer is obvious: it’s the guns.

No, it obviously is. The cause of our gun violence epidemic is the easy access to guns. Compare all the other variables you want to our peer nations and the answer is obvious. It’s fine to have differences of opinions on what to actually do about this, but saying that the cause of the disproportionate rate of gun deaths in this country is anything other than the guns is just wrong and not supported by the facts.

And guess what? That’s not the cause of our gun violence epidemic. It’s just a red herring to get ignorant people to ignore the actual root cause. All the Bernie bros wish America was more lefty like Scandinavian countries. If you’re theory that liberal policies cause gun violence was correct, then the Scandinavian countries would have much higher rates of gun violence than we do. But they don’t, because you are obviously and clearly wrong.

There are far more liberal governments in peer nations but they don’t have these issues. Even though you like to point to Chicago, 60% of the guns used in crimes here came from out of state. You can keep looking for something else to blame that fits your narrative, but when you look at the global data, the real reason is obvious and you’re simply wrong.

Another shooting. Another string of people blaming absolutely everything instead of the obvious cause of our shooting epidemic. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. Change nothing and just stack the bodies of the kids in the corner or whatever.

Nah, they’re still probably scarred from The White Death last time they tried it.

Could you *for once* not make up ***** about what I do and do not believe? You do not know me and instead of responding to my arguments, you’re just making up lies. You’re inability to answer simple questions and constant deflection and lying is ridiculous and childish. My argument has always been very simple: the state government should not make it a crime to stock books that do not fit an ideological narrative. As you pointed out, existing delinquency and child endangerment laws already cover the scenario you seem obsessed with. Which would seem to make the Florida law redundant or moot if that was its actual purpose. Would you support a law making it a crime to stock books in a school library that do not fit the most socialist lefty pinko commie narrative?

The law allows for a felony charge. You’re fine with that solely because nobody has been charged yet? When did conservatives suddenly turn into boot lickers?

…you think delinquency is the same as putting And Tango Makes Three in a school library…?

Continuing to dodge the question, huh? I am not aware of any law in my state that makes it a felony to put books in a library.

“Proper” as decided by the government under potential penalty of a felony charge. Would you be ok with some ultra liberal government deciding what is proper and having the ability to charge school employees with a felony if they do not adhere to the most liberal beliefs of what is proper? Personally, I don’t think the state should be involved, and I certainly don’t think there should even be the possibility of a criminal charge for not adhering to the government’s ideas of what books are “proper.”

So it is your contention that it is ok to have a law that makes it a crime for a school to have a book that doesn’t conform to the government’s dictate so long as the law isn’t enforced? Earlier, you mentioned that schools would remove books after consultation with the community. And now you’re stating they are powerless to do so without this law? I’m honestly trying to understand your position here.

Please point to where I said that the worst things schools have to deal with is running in the hallway or chewing gum. I’ll wait

A quick search shows that the recommended age for This Book is Gay is 14-17. So if someone is having kids younger than that read it, I would say discipline should range from a verbal warning all the way to being fired depending on the circumstances. But that should be determined by the school and in the context of that specific situation. Not the state, and it shouldn’t be an actual crime. Do you think that it is proper to charge someone with a felony for putting And Tango Makes Three in the school library?

I think reprimanding or firing them would be appropriate. And I think the process you described earlier where the schools make the list of books available to the public for comment and takes action based on expertise and community feedback is exactly how it should work. But what we are talking about here is the state government making it a crime to make a book available if it doesn’t comply with what the state believes is appropriate (and the standards are fairly vague). So yes, obviously there shouldn’t be porn in school libraries. And there’s always going to be a discussion of at which age certain topics are appropriate for kids. And there will be gray areas that will be really tough with some school deciding one thing and others deciding else wise. But those should be community discussions, not mandates from the Capitol under penalty of prosecution. Book ban underway as teachers fear prosecution in Florida “According to Florida’s Department of Education, the selection of library materials, which includes classroom libraries, must be “free of pornography and material prohibited under state statute, suited to student needs and their ability to comprehend the material presented, appropriate for the grade level and age group for which the materials are used and made available. Violations can result in a third-degree felony.”

And if the book with the graphic rape scene was not pulled, you think that it would be ok to charge the person responsible with a felony?

So you’re saying that Florida schools are free to stock any books they want in their libraries with no fear of criminal prosecution from the state?

I don’t understand what the deal is with people on this board just making up ***** about other posters. Yes, I recognize the public school employees are government employees. Can you tell the difference between a local school librarian or administrator deciding the appropriateness of a book (and taking feedback from the community) versus the state making it a crime to stock books that don’t comport to its agenda? Because if you can’t, then you’re the hack here.

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