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Active shooter report prompts lockdown at Joint Base Andrews “PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY, Md. - A lockdown is in place at Joint Base Andrews (JBA) in Prince George's County over reports of an active shooter near base housing on Thursday. According to a JBA's Facebook page, an armed individual was spotted around 2:50 p.m. near the base's housing area. The post is asking people to stay from base housing. The suspect is described as a white man wearing a purple sweatshirt, black shorts, carrying an AR-15 style rifle with no orange tip.”

That would be great. As I said, I was surprised by what the studies seem to show about SROs.

I get that. And I was a bit surprised at what studies show about SRO's. But an anecdote doesn't override data / studies.

It's counterintuitive and surprising, but the presence of an armed officer in schools doesn't reduce the injuries/deaths from shooters and actually is associated with a slightly increased rate of injuries. Presence of Armed School Officials and Fatal and Nonfatal Gunshot Injuries During Mass School Shootings, United States, 1980-2019 "Based on theory, multivariate models include the presence of an armed guard and control for region, school type (public, nonpublic), and grade level (high school, elementary, other); location (urban, suburban, rural); use of lockdown drills; if the attack was targeted; total number of weapons brought to the scene; number of shooters; and weapon type. Results are presented as incident rate ratios in Table 2 and show armed guards were not associated with significant reduction in rates of injuries; in fact, controlling for the aforementioned factors of location and school characteristics, the rate of deaths was 2.83 times greater in schools with an armed guard present (incidence rate ratio, 2.96; 95% CI = 1.43-6.13; P = .003)."

Please provide evidence of when I said I wanted to get rid of guns. I think you may have been reading what you wanted to read instead of what I actually said.

Red flag laws have it go to a court precisely because it's potentially curtailing someone's rights. Flagged by a mental health professional or someone close to them; adjudicated by a judge. And it can be temporary instead of permanent. When have I said I want to get rid of guns?

Can you provide evidence on the effectiveness of SROs stopping mass shooters?

My narrative is gun deaths and preventing them. This involves talking about all types of gun deaths and how to prevent them. If we want to allow for end-of-life suicides then that should be it's own discussion, and if it's something that we decide should be allowed, then maybe it should be doctor assisted so it's clean and safe for all involved instead of just hoping the elderly swallow a bullet.

Suicides remain the biggest cause of gun deaths in the US (54% of firearm deaths), more than homicides (43%). Not only is suicide the biggest driver of firearm deaths, but 9 out of 10 people who attempt suicide and survive will not go on to die of suicide at a later date. Suicide is a momentary crisis. If the person gets through that crisis in that moment, there's a 90% chance that they will not die of suicide. Firearms are by far the most effective method of suicide: Firearms (82.5% attempts are successful) Drowning / Submersion (65.9%) Suffocation / Hanging (61.4%) Poison by gas (41.5%) Jump (34.5%) Drugs / Poison ingestion (1.5%) Cut / Pierce (1.2%) Other (8.0%) So most Americans who die by firearms do so by their own hand. And 90% of them would live their lives without dying by suicide if they survived that first attempt. But firearms are far more likely to be successful than other methods. You have to conclude that if these people didn't have ready access to a firearm in that moment of crisis, it is more likely than not that many (most?) would not end up dying by suicide.

I meant to provide the actual numbers they could have provided themselves.

I don't understand the propensity of people on this site to ask leading questions or push a view without looking it up themselves first. It should be on the poster, not the reader, to support their claim. In any event, I've done your work for you. It took like 15 seconds. Trends and Disparities in Firearm Fatalities in the United States, 1990-2021 There were a total of 1,110,421 firearm fatalities from 1990 to 2021 Gender: 86% (952,984) among males 14% (157,165) among females Race: 286,075 (26%) Black non-Hispanic 115,616 (10%) Hispanic 672,132 (61%) White non-Hispanic Trend: Lowest rate during timespan was 10.1 per 100,000 in 2004 Increased to 14.7 in 2021 (46% increase) Firearm Homicide rate from 2014-2021: Males: 5.9 -> 10.9 (85% increase) Females 1.1 -> 2.0 (87% increase) Suicides: Highest: White non-Hispanic men aged 80 to 84 years (47 fatalities per 100,000 people in 2021) Gender: Male: 14 per 100k Female: 2 per 100k Urban / Rural: Metropolitan areas: 7 per 100k Non-Metro areas: 5 per 100k Homicides: 142 per 100k for Black non-Hispanic men aged 20-24 years 23 per 100k for Hispanic men aged 20-24 years 6 per 100k for White non-Hispanic men aged 20-24 years I'm sure people will cherry pick whatever piece of data that best fits their predetermined argument, but I think that this underscores that reducing firearm deaths requires a variety of efforts with different solutions for the different aspects of gun violence.

I dunno, what do you think?

US use of SSRI’s is comparable to Iceland Per Capita gun deaths Iceland: 0.07 USA: 12.21 While SSRI use is on the rise in rich countries, it doesn’t seem to correlate with gun deaths.

I think that’s the position of a small minority. Most politicians and leaders I’ve seen on this issue are advocating laws around future purchases and any “confiscation” of guns would actually just be voluntary buybacks. Remember that the Dems had a trifecta, including a filibuster proof majority in the senate in 2008. If they wanted to take people’s guns, that would have been the time to try it. Instead, they blew all of their political capital on trying to get people healthcare. I’m a big Rocky Raccoon guy myself

I think there is common ground to be found between confiscating all the guns and letting children’s corpses pile up in our classrooms. I don’t want to take people’s guns. I’m not sure a ban on the AR-15 would do much. Many people in my family have guns. If I didn’t live in a city, I’d probably have one too. A big part of the problem is that the NRA went from an organization that promoted gun safety to the lobbying arm of the gun manufacturers. We need people with gun expertise to be a productive part of the conversation about this or we’re either going to get clunky, ineffective laws from people who don’t grasp all the details or we’ll do nothing and kids will keep dying.

Now, if I were truly an Originalist who cared what the Founders intended, I might ponder over those words “A well regulated militia” and what they meant at the time they were written. Or, I could do what “Originalists” always do and pick the outcome that I want politically and then come up with a fig leaf rationale for it. It’s funny how they want laws about which bathrooms people can use or books they can read, but the second someone mention laws that might stop kids from being killed it’s suddenly “criminals don’t follow laws so what’s even the point of laws????”

The Supreme Court first recognized the individual right to own firearms in 2008. The gun lobby has completely perverted the narrative and created a myth around guns.

Is it your contention that Americans are inherently inferior and therefore more likely to have a mental illness that leads them to violence?

Maybe read this thread of people blaming literally anything other than the prevalence of guns. I think the current reason for gun violence according to PPP is trans people. It’ll change with the next mass shooting later this week.

*looks at data* ”Yep. Must be the libs / lack of guns / doors / trans people / lack of church / single parent families / gays / unarmed teachers. That makes sense to me.”

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. You blamed the gun violence epidemic on doctors and trans people, an absolutely ludicrous claim. How did you not expect to be made fun of for that? If I said the reason the Bills didn’t win the Super Bowl was because their shoelaces were the wrong color and Mars was in retrograde, I think making fun of me would be justified.

I’m just a guy who likes to provide evidence for his claims. I know it’s unusual for PPP but I’m not going to change who I am.

If there was an award for dumbest take, I think “gun violence is the fault of doctors and trans people” would take the top prize. Just absolute brain dead garbage. Amazing stuff right here. Do you ever try to reach a conclusion based on facts or do you just jump to blaming people you dislike without evidence?

Wrong. If the root cause was mental health, then we should have similar rates of gun violence as other nations. But ours is much, much higher. Unless you’re saying that you think Americans are innately inferior to Europeans and other cultures and therefore subject to far higher rates of mental illness…