ChiGoose

1. I am not for sexualizing children 2. I contest the idea that all of these books are sexual (see: the penguin book) 3. My ENTIRE POINT is that these decisions should be made by the schools, parents and community, NOT the government.

Oh, I thought we were just making stuff up. Was just following your cue.

Says the guy who thinks penguins are sexy

The government mandating the removal of books from school libraries is cool with you? Would it be cool with you if it was a liberal government removing books you wanted your children to read? Please explain how two penguins adopting a baby penguin sexualizes children. I really can’t figure that one out. Unless conservatives think penguins are really sexy?

Because I cannot remember every single book pulled from Florida schools, that means I’m a hack? I already pointed out that a book about two male penguins adopting a baby penguin had been removed. If you’d like a list of books being banned and challenged, you can check here: Here’s a list of books banned, under review in Central Florida schools My point is, and always has been, that the government should not be involved in banning books. If you don’t want your kid reading a book, that’s up to you. And if the governor doesn’t want you kid reading a book, that’s definitely not his business. If you think the school’s curriculum is inappropriate, bring it up with the school or find a new school. But making it illegal to stock a book in a library because it doesn’t conform to government mandated content is un-American.

If they have a debate, Trump will end him.

I tried to engage you in good faith and you spent the entire time misrepresenting my arguments. Then you made up lies about me. And now you’re continuing to make up lies about me. And you’re surprised I don’t feel like engaging you in good faith anymore? You clearly have no interest in anything except being a troll. Which makes sense because the argument you’ve been presenting makes so little sense that it must be a troll job. “Families should dictate their kids education and that’s why the state should ban books. I’m a genius.” Must make you feel real superior to make yourself look like an idiot and an #######.

What a ***** idiot.

What the hell is wrong with you? Why the hell do you keep making ***** up about me? First I’m in 20’s, then I probably don’t have kids, and now you have deep insight into my relationship with my father? I have to guess it’s because you’re beginning to realize that your position is untenable and your arguments are terrible. So distract, distract, distract, I suppose. Thanks for playing, chump. You can go on pretending that having the state ban books is the same as (instead of the exact opposite of) parents having a say in their local schools. It just makes you look like a fool.

Well, it seems you have suddenly gained some reading comprehension skills, so that’s a nice change of pace. If you don’t think the government should push their beliefs on kids, then I have to assume you oppose DeSantis’s push to have the government outlaw books in schools that show anything that doesn’t conform to his beliefs. There is a tremendous difference between having input on your kid’s school and having the government outlaw books. They are not even in the same universe of things. Had the same discussion with my dad about school taxes many years ago. He complained that he paid so much for public school taxes but also paid to send his kids to private school. My response was simply that, not only was that his choice and he could have availed himself of the local public schools, but he still benefits from living in a neighborhood with a very good public school system. If he wanted lower taxes, he could move to a neighborhood with bad schools.

No, a homeschooler can’t opt out of funding a public school. Schools are there for the public and you can feel free to utilize them. If you decide not to, that’s on you. You are repeatedly misconstruing my argument and I’m not sure if it’s intentional or what. My entire point is that people can have different views on how to raise their kids. But it’s not the government’s job to enforce one set of beliefs on all kids. My son’s bookshelf is very different from his cousin’s. And that is fine! I don’t think the government should tell my brother what books are appropriate for his kid, and I don’t think it should tell me which are appropriate for mine. That’s our choices as parents. Florida school district bans book about real-life gay penguin relationship, citing Parental Rights law “Lake County Schools cites Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis law that prohibits classroom instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity to kindergarten through 3rd graders A Florida school district banned a book about a real-life same-sex penguin couple from classrooms and school libraries. The award-winning 2005 children's book, "And Tango Makes Three," tells the story of a real-life same-sex penguin couple that creates a family together. Lake County Schools located in Florida told Fox News Digital on Monday that the book violates Florida law on teaching about sexual orientation or gender identity to kindergarten and third-graders. "We removed access to ‘And Tango Makes Three’ for our kindergarten through third-grade students in alignment with Florida HB 1557, which prohibits classroom instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity for those grade levels," Sherri Owens, the Lake County Florida communications director told Fox News Digital. The banning of the book stems from Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis' education legislation he signed into law last year. Florida House Bill 1557 "Parental Rights in Education," which was dubbed by critics as the "don't say gay" bill. The law bans teachers from giving classroom instruction on "sexual orientation" or "gender identity" in grades kindergarten through third grade. "And Tango Makes Three" is one of several books that have been removed from schools after DeSantis and state Republicans passed legislation on restricting instruction on critical race theory and gender theory. Public records obtained by another outlet through the Florida Freedom to Read Project revealed that two other books were banned, citing the Parental Rights in Education Act.”

It is their right to teach their kids as they see fit. It is not their right to have the government tell me how to teach my kid. And I will not cede that this is about sex at all. Unless you think about sex when you see two male penguins. But I guess that’s on you.

I’m older than that. And I’m old enough to see that Elon doesn’t understand free speech. And none of that changes the fact that DeSantis is not trying to protect kids from sexual content. He’s scaremongering for political gain and the gullible are buying it hook, line, and sinker. Unless, of course, you think a book about two penguins adopting a baby penguin is sexual somehow.

DeSantis war on LGBTQ is literally just a craven political ploy and has absolutely nothing to do with protecting kids. For some reason, “conservatives” seem to support government censorship now. There is absolutely nothing wrong with parents talking to their kids about what they should and shouldn’t read. And there’s nothing wrong with getting involved in your school system to ensure the curriculum is appropriate. But that’s not what is happening here. This is the state censoring anything that is remotely related to LGBT or doesn’t fit the narrative of the powers in charge. Conservatives should abhor this. The fact that they embrace it just demonstrates that traditional American conservatism is dead.

Well the problem is that they can’t allow critical thinking, only indoctrination. If they allowed critical thinking, then nobody would support the GOP anymore.

I don’t understand the reference. A book about meeting people online? And it’s the same as porn?

Maybe not everyone is lucky enough to live in a safe and supportive environment. Maybe it would be helpful for some people to have access to resources outside the home that can help them understand things. Or maybe we should just have the government tell us what to think.

If you cannot tell the difference between public pressure from activists and the actual government, then maybe sit this one out, bud.

So there are these things, they are called librarians. And what they do is use their specialized training to ensure that there are a variety of books available. As far as I am aware, there hasn’t been a case of a school librarian putting Playboys in the school library. If they did, they would likely be fired. But you know what? The governor of the state wouldn’t be involved in that. In fact, the government itself wouldn’t be involved at all except to the extent that in public schools the principal firing the librarian would be a public employee. It’s odd to me that the party of small government wants to the government take over deciding what kids can read away from the schools. It’s also odd that they just absolutely cannot stop thinking about sex. Like, a book about two penguins raising an adopted baby penguin makes them think it’s teaching kids about sex. Seems like they’re just telling on themselves for their own perverted hang ups. Important distinction: the Dr Seuss situation (like the Roald Dahl one) originated from the owners of the IP, not the government. Nobody told them to edit the books, they were not forced to do it, and they faced criticism for doing it from both the left and the right. If the government was editing and censoring the books, you would have a point here. But they weren’t, so you don’t.

Illinois House passes bill prohibiting book bans Glad I live in a state that respects education and opposes government censorship. Wonder how all the pro-DeSantis people would feel about Hochul deciding what books kids can read in NY…?

Book bans slowly taking over some Florida “According to PEN America, a global organization that protects rights of literature and free expression, during the 2021-2022 school year, Florida had the second-highest number of book bans in the country. They had 566 bans across 21 districts, ranging from the Panhandle to South Florida. Now, in its Index of School Book Bans, which covers the U.S., PEN America said it's listing instances where students' access to books in schools was restricted or diminished for either limited or indefinite periods of time.”

Trump: I’m going to be indicted on Tuesday! *Tuesday passes with no indictment* MAGA dweebs: Lol. Libs are so owned.

This is the wrong take. Whether or not Trump is potentially an easier candidate to beat doesn’t have any place in the discussion of whether or not he committed crimes. Also, I’m getting the impression that DeSantis has a glass jaw anyway

And yet he still has almost twice as many mentions as the Koch’s. Does that ever strike you as strange? All of the focus on this one guy?

I’m not denying that Soros funds lefty programs. What I’m pointing out is that the laser focus on him and constant mention of his name as pulling strings can be directly traced back to anti-Semitic tropes. The evidence you provide also mentions: Richard Uihlein (0 mentions on this board) Ken Griffin (0 mentions) Jeff Yass (0 mentions) Timothy Mellon (0 mentions) Fred Eychaner (1 mention) Sam Bankman-Fried (~30 mentions) Stephen Schwarzman (2 mentions) Peter Thiel (29 mentions) Larry Ellison (17 mentions) Meanwhile, there 862 mentions of Soros. Do you ever wonder why, in a world where there are dozens of billionaires trying to influence politics, that it’s almost always Soros who is depicted as pulling the puppet strings from behind the scenes? I want to be clear that I don’t think that most people who mention Soros in this way are anti-Semitic themselves. I think they just may not understand where the idea comes from.