ChiGoose

Sure, people get pissed off at the dumbest things. Doesn’t mean that a second civil war is a good idea. Maybe we should focus our energies on reforms that would turn down the heat instead of accelerating it.

Divorces in abusive relationships don’t usually end in an actual war. What is being proposed here would.

That’s an absolutely ridiculous comparison and you know it.

No, I’m pretty sure that if we stopped supplying Ukraine and made them give Putin what he wants, then Putin will totally stop and world peace will ensue with rainbows and puppies for all.

Anyone supporting the dissolution of the United States is a traitor and should be treated as such. We may have our disagreements but the moment you start seeing your fellow Americans as the enemy is the moment you’ve betrayed the values this country was founded upon.

Glad they did that. Correct call.

My favorite Paul Gosar fact is that he’s such a stupid lunatic that his siblings got together and cut an ad to support his opponent in the election.

Absolutely love that absolutely nobody on the MAGA side here will engage in the actual topic of the thread. Just straight whataboutism to deflect from the fact that they love being lied to because it makes them feel good.

Nothing, but whataboutism is just about all they’ve got.

Twitter determined that the NY Post violated its TOS and took action. It later updated its policy and reinstated the account. Im not going to defend Twitter’s dumb policies but I fail to see how suspending an account that it found had violated those policies is some big deal. Twitter is dumb and did a dumb thing that it ended up undoing.

What you’re seeing (aside from the twitter part which I’ll get to later), is actually what is called journalistic standards. Let’s look at the Steele Dossier, a document full of rumors and raw intelligence, none of which have been proven and much of which has been debunked. BuzzFeed wasn’t the only outlet to get it. At the time they made it public, other outlets had had it for weeks or longer. But they didn’t publish it. I don’t think they even ran stories from it. That would be weird if, as you imply, all of the news outlets were out to get Trump. What a gift the dossier would be! Pee tapes! Secret meetings in Prague. If your theory is correct, they would have published it immediately. But they didn’t. Because they were trying to determine what in the document was actually true before making it public. There was no secret cabal of media outlets sitting on a story because it would make Trump look bad. It was each outlet applying their standards to an unverified story. Turns out that one outlet, BuzzFeed, had much looser standards than the others and released the story unvetted because it was “newsworthy”. They’ve been rightly criticized for this. Similar here, while other outlets (including Fox News) did not run with the laptop story because it didn’t meet their standards, the Post felt it was newsworthy and ran it before vetting the details. Now, you can really fall into two camps here: 1. BuzzFeed and the NY Post were correct to run the unverified Steele Dossier and Hunter laptop stories because they were newsworthy. 2. BuzzFeed and the NY Post were wrong to run the stories without vetting the details for accuracy I am squarely in the second camp but you seem to be in the first. That’s fine, difference of opinion. As to Twitter, after all of the misinfo ops that it allowed on its site in the lead up to 2016, it put into place a truly stupid policy of blocking the link to anything that might be misinfo until Twitter can verify it. This then lead to the Streisand Effect of giving the NY Post story more views than it had been getting because Twitter had unwittingly created a controversy that predictably did the opposite of what it intended. Not everything has to be a grand conspiracy. Sometimes it’s just people doing what they think is best, even if it turns out to be dumb.

The fact that the laptop was Hunter’s was verified. What hasn’t been verified is that everything on the laptop was his. In fact, analysis found that people other than Biden had accessed and created files on the laptop after it was in the possession of the repair guy. If you’re a journalist and care about the truth, then at the time of the Post story, you could honestly say that there was a laptop that appeared to be Hunter Biden’s but beyond that most of the facts were in dispute or not verified. You’re basically complaining that every outlet didn’t do what BuzzFeed did with the Steele Dossier: publicize a story before they could vet it.

We’re talking about a laptop held by some random guy who gave it to Rudy Giuliani, a known fabulist, who wouldn’t provide it to the outlets that wanted to vet its veracity. It absolutely stinks to high heaven as a disinfo op and it’s not surprising that outlets would be hesitant to run with the story until they could get their hands on the actual data. This whole idea that all of the media outlets, all of social media, and all of the government were in cahoots to bury the Hunter laptop story is ridiculous. Shady ass liars were promoting yet another shady ass story that looked everything like all of the other lies they were pushing. There’s plenty of reasons that even the most fair and balanced news outlets would hesitate to run with it until they fully vetted it. Turns out, this was the one time the crazies actually may have had something but when you’re the boy who cries wolf, don’t be surprised when people are reluctant to believe you when there’s actually a wolf.

Yeah, saw that. The goal isn’t to inform, it’s to keep eyeballs on the tv for the ad breaks. If you want to know what’s really going on in the world, turn off the TV

I dunno, a lot of the talking heads are actually really dumb.

Wouldn’t be surprised if Jill Stein was there.

The problem is that you seem the believe that independent institutions enacting their own policies in regards to a questionable story is actually a coordinated effort at suppression. That’s not censorship, that’s capitalism. I’m not pretending that Fox is the only bad news outlet. I think all TV news is bad and the country would be much better off if these outlets didn’t exist. I think, however, there’s a difference when the media outlet’s leadership and hosts are on the record acknowledging that they are lying to their audiences.

Whether or not MSNBC is a good outlet is irrelevant to the discussion of Fox News treating its audience like rubes. As to MSNBC, I don’t watch it so I’m not going to defend it.

Man, you really do live in a fantasy world, don’t you? Must be scary to believe that the whole world is conspiring against you. 1. The Trump campaign sought and accepted help from Russia. This is not a disputed fact and if you don’t believe it, you’re just exposing your ignorance. 2. The Steele dossier was a raw intelligence document. It was a collection of unvetted rumors and as such should not have been made public until the rumors could be investigated and their truth or falsity determined. 3. I really have a hard time understanding how something can be censorship if people weren’t forced to censor it. Anybody could run the Hunter laptop story if they wanted to. We know this because the Post ran the story. Other outlets were concerned about its veracity so they held off until they could further verify it. It’s not some big government conspiracy. 4. The media sucks. But one media outlet sucking isn’t an excuse for another to suck. The fact that Fox News thinks their viewers are morons and will buy any lie their told isn’t justified by other media outlets sucking.

If someone was telling me one thing to my face and the opposite behind my back, I would simply stop listening to that person. But the feelings over facts crowd will stick with Fox News because even though they know it’s all a lie, it’s a lie that feels good.

Kinda fun to see the usual crowd just defaulting to whataboutism here because they can’t admit that they know they’re being lied to but like it because it makes them feel validated.

Nobody dislikes Republican voters as much as the Republican elites. From the members of Congress, to party officials, to Fox News, they all think that their audience is comprised of rubes and marks who will eat up whatever garbage their told so long as it makes them mad at the right people.

Man, I need to get my hands on whatever you’re smoking.

GOP constantly works to ensure that anybody with a pulse can get a gun while people are constantly being killed by guns Galaxy brain geniuses: this is the fault of the libs!

So why have any laws at all?