ChiGoose

They looked into it, found most of it to not be credible and moved on to the other heaps of evidence. I get that it’s fun to just read the news that confirms your priors but when we’re talking about investigations that have public reports, why wouldn’t you just read those instead of insisting on being wrong?

It absolutely did not. The Senate Intelligence report and the Mueller Report are both public. You can go check them for yourself but you’re not going to find a ton about the Steele Dossier because it wasn’t a central part of the investigations. The media blew up to be way bigger than it was.

What are you talking about? Do you think that the Steele Dossier was the trigger or basis for the Russia investigation? Because it wasn’t. It was largely discredited and dismissed by investigators. However, there were dozens of actual contacts between the Russians and the Trump campaign, which was very willing to accept their help.

Yeah, that’s why you’re supposed to vet the info before making it public.

Igor Danchenko, among others.

Pence continues to handle this correctly. Pence says ‘mistakes were made’ in classified documents handling “Pence said he decided to undertake the search of his home “out of an abundance of caution” after recent disclosures by Biden’s team that documents were found at his former office and in his Delaware home. “I take full responsibility” over the documents that were discovered in Indiana, Pence said Friday. He said he had directed his counsel to work with the National Archives, Department of Justice and Congress and fully cooperate in any investigation.” His situation seems to be very similar to Biden’s except he has better messaging.

You’re misconstruing my point from that thread. What I was trying to get across is that the FBI flagging posts that potentially violate Twitter’s TOS is not censorship or coercion because Twitter ultimately decides what to do with the flagged posts. We also know that Twitter knew it could push back on these requests because not only were they staffed with many ex-FBI employees who would know that the FBI can’t force them to act, but they also rejected most of the requests. Most of the time, the requests went as follows: FBI: Hey, you should check out this post Twitter: Sure! Twitter: After review, we are declining to take action.

It was about the Russians saying they had dirt on Hillary. The right thing to do would be to decline and report the offer to the FBI. But the Trump campaign took the meeting instead.

I can only speak for myself, but the Steele Dossier was a piece of raw intelligence gathering. It’s basically just collecting all the rumors you can about someone. The next step would be to verify if those rumors were true, but that didn’t happen. Steele was wrong to leak it because the public was just going to latch on to the salacious details without taking a step back and recognizing the report for what it was. As someone who thought (and still thinks) that Trump sucks, I certainly wanted the report to be true and I kept waiting for other outlets to verify the stories but they never could. That’s why the Mueller report dismissed most of the dossier and why the Clinton campaign didn’t use it: nothing in it could be proven to be true. Steele got ahead of himself by leaking it (I believe to John McCain) instead of verifying it first.

In the case of a crime, when charges are filed they are often done so with sworn statements. While people can always lie, there is little penalty for lying on TV while there are hefty penalties for lying to law enforcement. It doesn’t mean people don’t lie to cops, but they are less likely to do so than to lie to a journalist. So in cases such as these, I find it incredibly helpful to ignore the talking heads / media, and just go straight to the filings. That’s what I did here and it’s what I did with the Sussman case. Both times, the outcome was very clear from the start despite the terrible media coverage.

Shoveling people into sides is one of the biggest problems with this country. Sorting into “us vs. them” is terrible and harms all of us. And if what “people were doing” was normal, then we are screwed as a country. Instead of letting the facts drive the conclusion, they were having the conclusion drive the facts. The facts were pretty clear from the jump. Literally from the very beginning I was able to identify what the most likely outcome was by just looking at the official filings. But that apparently makes me a partisan hack. And now the evidence supports my original conclusion. This stuff isn’t hard if you actually want to know the truth. But so many people don’t. It’s not skepticism or critical thinking. It’s just feelings over facts.

Well, if you want to talk media criticism, I’m sure we will find a lot to agree on. But when you quote my post and say “you” a lot while saying things I’ve never said, I’m going to call you out. I try to choose my words carefully and do not appreciate people insinuating that I said things I never said.

When have I ever said that DePape was a Trumper? I said he was a crazy person. I have said from the very start that the most likely explanation is that he was a crazy person who broke into the house to get to Nancy Pelosi. The facts supported that at the time, and the new evidence shows that to be clearly the case.

Yup. Something else that was salacious that people wanted to believe despite the lack of evidence. Feelings over facts

For some reason, we expect people to act in specific or rational ways in all situations, especially intense or dangerous ones. It may, at first, seem like Pelosi should have fought DePape when he came in. Or tried to lock himself in another room. But he’s an elderly man and DePape had already found a way into his house. It’s likely that Pelosi’s goal was to just keep the situation from escalating until the cops arrived. Listening to the 911 call, you can hear Pelosi trying to walk the line between telling the operator to send someone and not angering DePape. The operator even tries to hang up a few times before Pelosi convinces her to stay on. In that situation, simply saying to DePape, “let’s sit down and chat until my wife gets home” while really waiting on the police seems like a smart thing to do.

Here’s a good summary of what was made public with links to the videos and audio recordings: Pelosi Attack Live Updates: Body Camera Footage of Hammer Assault Released Everything is consistent with a crazy guy breaking into the house and an elderly man trying to avoid angering him while trying to get help. The simplest explanation, supported by the facts. While there are some questions that may remain (what’s with the glass of water), they likely have pretty banal expectations (maybe Pelosi was trying to keep the guy calm and poured a couple of glasses of water while waiting for police). Of course, this won’t convince the crazies, but nothing ever will.

I did write them a letter back in 2017. Never got a response though.

I shall join you in not donating any money to the Republican Party

Prosecutor brings a case so weak that his subordinates quit because they don’t want to be a part of it. Then loses the case. Galaxy brained geniuses: it was the jury’s fault.

Yup and that is definitely worth investigating.

https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/video/paul-pelosi-attack-security-camera-video-shows-break-in-by-david-depape/ Looks like they released the video of DePape breaking into the house from the outside. I’m assuming what really happened is that they were in a secret sexual relationship, got in a fight, and then DePape went outside, and decided to break back in because he realized that Pelosi had his glass of water. Am I doing this right?

I’m sure it’ll be asked at trial and may have already been asked by investigators.

No seriously. Just say what you mean. You still believe that this was a lovers quarrel, don’t you?

What does the drink signify? Is he hiding Damar Hamlin in it?

Oh look. Paul Pelosi opened the door while holding the hammer that DePape was also holding. He didn’t just open the door and walk back to DePape. Who could have thought?