ChiGoose

Wonder what books they are burning here: IYKYK: history doesn’t repeat itself, but it rhymes

Dear lord, you’re obtuse. You do realize that the natural conclusion of your questioning is: let states pass unconstitutional laws and never challenge them because it might get worse, right? Is that what you’re looking to defend here? Just letting whatever state pass whatever unconstitutional law it wants without any recourse?

Here’s a fun fact: Bill Clinton sucks and Donald Trump is a rapist.

Wow. This thread certainly went off topic. To bring it back to the original topic, here’s a fun and legal thing you can say: Donald Trump is an adjudicated sexual abuser.

Until those kids are born. Then, let them starve and suffer. That’s the GOP way!

No they weren’t. SCOTUS was. I don’t think overturning Roe was even part of the certified question that SCOTUS was asked to address. It’s such a weird and illogical way to look at this. Just trying every trick to excuse the people actually responsible because it makes your side look bad. State passes unconstitutional law Petitioner: hey! That’s unconstitutional SCOTUS: we are changing the constitution to allow things way beyond the law we were asked to look at Internet geniuses: this is the petitioner’s fault.

Can’t blame them here. They challenged a law that directly contradicted the Constitution as held by SCOTUS. SCOTUS then decided to change the rules on them. Blaming people for challenging problematic laws instead of blaming the people who pass those laws is an interesting way to burden shift.

They are the dog that caught the car. Abortion was a good issue for the Right while Roe was in place. Now it’s a weight around their necks.

Lots of excuses for the GOP here. Would the bipartisan bill be better than the status quo? Most experts seem to think so. Is there any chance that HB2, a solely partisan job with no bipartisan input will be signed into law? Nope. Seems like the Senate bill should have been able to move forward. But that would have made the godking mad, so now the toadies need to bend over backwards to excuse a tremendous GOP self-own.

Disagree. The Dems had the GOP craft a border bill that the Dems would never support on its own in exchange for supporting democracy abroad. The GOP reneged and trashed the whole endeavor the second their godking expressed displeasure. That is not the same as one side of the House passing an extreme bill that had zero chance of success. Back to the topic at hand, the GOP could potentially save themselves from serious problems in November and put the Dems in a really tough spot by bringing a bill to the the House floor that expands access to contraception and healthcare, emphasizes prenatal care, guarantees paid parental leave, and makes healthcare affordable. Not only would such a bill greatly help reduce elective abortions, but it would provide a much-needed lifeline to GOP candidates. So why won’t they do it?

When you’re born is also when the GOP stops considering you a person.

You’re right. I totally forgot that the Senate GOP scuttled their own bill. They’re even bigger cowards than I usually think of them.

It’s just projection on their part. Most everything is emotionally tinged on the right because if they came right out and said “we want to take your money and what you work for and give it to millionaires and billionaires,” people wouldn’t vote for it. So they stoke a culture war to scare hard-working Americans into supporting their corporate masters.

Don’t forget that conservatives seem incapable or unwilling of considering second and third order effects. Imagine if abortion was banned completely in the US. You would see a black market of unregulated and likely very unsafe abortion options available to the desperate. Now imagine you or someone you love is pregnant. Everything is going well but then suddenly, it’s a miscarriage. How does the doctor know that it wasn’t the result of a back alley abortion? How does law enforcement know? The only way is to investigate. Better yet, they can follow in the steps of Missouri and use data from things like period tracking apps to keep tabs on women of child bearing age. A surveillance state for women. What about someone who is pregnant but is diagnosed with cancer? Well, if their life isn’t immediately in danger, they’ll be given no choice but to let the cancer grow until it’s life threatening instead having the option to choose their future. The world in which they get their way is a totalitarian nightmare but they don’t believe or understand it because they still can’t grasp simple second order effects like fetal personhood requiring banning IVF.

The senate passed a border bill. It was basically written by a conservative and it’s sitting on Mike Johnson’s desk. If Johnson puts the bill on the floor, it will pass and it will help the border. Which is why he won’t put it on the floor. There are always a million reasons to say “no.” Part of being a responsible legislator is finding a way to “yes” through compromise. But compromise is anathema to the MAGA wing of the GOP, ensuring that they get basically nothing done. And that’s even if they do actually support addressing the root causes of abortion. Which they don’t, so it’s all moot anyway. The idea that “everyone wants these” is, frankly, naive.

I wish you were correct, but the GOP tends to oppose expanding healthcare, increasing access to contraceptives, and affordable childcare. There are signs however, that they are rethinking their opposition to parental leave. It would be smart for them to revisit these policies. Dobbs is incredibly unpopular with the average American. If the GOP were open to these things, Speaker Johnson could put them on the House floor and force Dems to choose to support their stated policies or keep the issue alive for the election (not unlike how the GOP went back on their proposed border deal.

Well, if you ask Dems if they want to make having kids more affordable and provide better opportunities and support to people with financial difficulties while ensuring that people can get prenatal care, good parental leave, and affordable childcare, they’d probable all be on board. Do you think the GOP would?

If the people who claim to oppose abortion really wanted to reduce abortions without harming women, they’d address the root causes of abortions. But they never do (and often oppose proven effective methods) so it’s hard to believe them when they say that’s their goal.

If you’re implying that the natural consequence of outlawing abortion is punishing women and doctors, I agree. In fact, the natural consequence of fetal personhood (which is gaining popularity on the right) is banning IVF and prosecuting women who have abortions and their doctors for first degree murder. I just happen to agree with the majority of Americans that those laws are stupid and warrant fighting against.

Hey buddy, you can be having a miscarriage while there is still a “heartbeat.” That’s the problem with these stupid laws. If the pregnancy is nonviable or the mother is experiencing miscarriage symptoms but there is still a fetal “heartbeat,” by law they need to wait until the life of the mother is in danger. It’s really dumb and illogical, but that’s why it’s a GOP policy. Read like, literally any story about this coming out of Texas.

The changes the right is so upset about: “The Mifepristone REMS Program was modified on January 3, 2023. Under the Mifepristone REMS Program: Mifepristone must be prescribed by a health care provider that meets certain qualifications and is certified under the Mifepristone REMS Program. In order to become certified to prescribe mifepristone, health care providers must complete a Prescriber Agreement Form. The Patient Agreement Form must be reviewed with and signed by the patient and the health care provider, and the risks of the mifepristone treatment regimen must be fully explained to the patient before mifepristone is prescribed. The patient must be provided with a copy of the Patient Agreement Form and mifepristone Medication Guide (FDA-approved information for patients). Mifepristone may only be dispensed by or under the supervision of a certified prescriber, or by a certified pharmacy on a prescription issued by a certified prescriber. To become certified to dispense mifepristone, pharmacies must complete a Pharmacy Agreement Form. Certified pharmacies must be able to ship mifepristone using a shipping service that provides tracking information. Certified pharmacies must ensure mifepristone is dispensed to the patient in a timely manner.” (FDA)

If you have an opinion, state it. If you want to say “mifepristone should be banned because reasons x, y, and z,” then say so. Don’t play stupid guessing games that waste everyone’s time. It’s childish. My opinion: mifepristone should not be banned because it has been proven to be safe and effective.

What a dumb question. Every drug has side effects. Mifepristone is safer than Tylenol. Should we ban Tylenol?

Nah man, just laughing at you. So simple, so naive. Like a precious little cinnamon bun.

Asks a bunch of questions, spits a bunch of nonsense, misses the point, is completely unable to address the actual issues. “Do My FaCtS tRiGgEr YoU?”