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After watching, Dorsey did scheme Diggs open multiple times that game. I don’t think we’re doing enough of it. He relies so heavily on our route conversions getting guys open, but when guys fail to execute them properly it’s an issue, and that’s everyone. Dorsey schemed Diggs into a 1v1 vs a backer and he cut inside vs inside leverage instead of cutting outside like he should have. Josh anticipated the outside cut and was lucky to hold onto the ball when he pumped because he was anticipating the outbreaking route. Josh is also holding onto the ball too long still and not just dumping it down and letting guys get what they get. It puts us behind the sticks or doesn’t give us a chance on a lot of 3rd downs. I’ll make a big post later with all my thoughts from the game.

Appreciate that. Wish I could do more as well. I was considering starting a thread just for breaking down plays you guys wanted to know more on, but wasn’t sure how much it’d be utilized. To be fair to Josh, and for full clarity here, his read is the corner so yeah from the broadcast it looks like he was just staring at Gabe.

No, it's an MOR (Mandatory Outside Release) route. Josh just tried to hit the hole shot into Cover 2 and underthrew it. This has been a recurring theme for him this year.

What was creative about what he said?

Haven’t had a chance to spin through the A22 outside of finding a few snaps that I saw posted on here so I can’t really say for the Bengals game. I will say we do have quite a few concepts that aren’t full field reads (zone beater one side and man beater the other) so the notion that there’s not full field cohesion of routes is real but it’s intentional. May be able to spin through some stuff tomorrow and have a better answer for you. The overhang (conflict defender who was the read) was the DB who folded in to make the tackle. He was so wide initially that the read was essentially predetermined as long as he stayed there. Yeah we’ve run a couple of RPO off of Dart this year both left and right with Dawkins or Brown pulling - can’t remember exactly which games they were in but I remember commenting on it on here when they did. Gabe got a really good gain on one of them at or close to the High RZ area on one of them.

With the increase in the RPO game teams don't teach attack steps to LBs anymore. Instead they'll just bounce and trigger late vs the run.

He should have - they were in slide protection. Morse looks lost... They're not pretending to be an option - they are an option. It's an RPO. We've gotten a lot of mileage out of this concept this year. What's concerning to me is why did we reduce the splits down? They're playing 3 over 2 so there's no play to be had on the pass - the give is the correct call - but we're doing ourselves no favors with the stack that tight to the formation.

This specific play is Allen just taking the 1v1 matchup. This is what I've tried to get across earlier in the year - if Allen likes the backside 1v1 matchup he's going to take it regardless of the three man concept. Saw this a lot this game on the backside of 3x1.

I’ve certainly said in the past that we were running Dart and not Draw in instances we were running Dart. There’s a number of concepts we’re running from Gun and the vast majority of them are not Draw. As far as the shotgun vs. under center debate about the RB hitting it with speed from under center. That’s all well and good if you’re running ISO that hits straight downhill, but we’ve been running a ton of gap scheme that hits off-tackle. It’s timing based - not run downhill as fast as you can.

Never said it was Dart. In fact I’ve said in another thread it was Duo. So, no, it was not draw… Additionally they could have run the same concept from under center and it still wouldn’t have been successful because Gabe got blown up.

If we want to get into specifics Shotgun and Pistol are two totally different things, and we haven't run a draw at the 1 yard line... ever.

It's a quick hitter on a rub route - give your guy a chance. Allen isn't reading coverage after he gets it based on the initial motion.

As a DC I can tell you how hard it is to execute a full field bump in man coverage. It puts a ton of stress on a defense and it’s tough to get communicated and everyone on the same page all within fractions of seconds especially considering we haven’t shown that before on film. Dorsey knew what the defense was going to be in - understood the structure of the defense and designed a play to put stress on that structure. At the end of the day that’s really all you want to see out of your OC. Those guys on the other side of the ball get paid to make plays too.

Sorry, a mesh is the exchange point between a RB and QB (EDIT: see photo below). That’s something totally different than a mesh concept in the pass game. No, it was true man to man. They just bumped the coverage. It’s the same idea as when you see bunch or stack sets from receivers. You still play man coverage but you’re passing off routes so that you don’t get picked.

No RPO. They used a mesh just to hold a backer and eyes but the whole play design was to set a pick for Kincaid in the flat. Bucs did a really good job bumping the entire coverage.

Lol. Which play were you referring to though? The Murray run?

No, he’s just saying he thinks it’s a weak rotation cover 3 which is what @Einstein has been saying. Saban calls it Skate but it follows the same rules as what I posted above to 3x1 sets it’s just the people that change (which is why Saban takes a holistic approach when teaching coverages to his players and uses an X instead of a position during initial install. The rules always stay the same but the people can move). Again though, based on eyes, footwork, and drops, they’re not running Cover 3. They’re in a split safety coverage. We didn’t run any RPO inside the 5 this past week that I recall.

Right? That’s my biggest deterrent when I think about making big posts to breakdown schemes etc. I’ve done a few in the past breaking down a single play but it’s a pain in the butt if I want to post more than one image.

Just now actually looking through these lol. Look at the success rates of both. They're both really good. Gives some context as to when we're running zone concepts though.

The gif was for your explanation of why we miss tackles and trying to tie it to the scheme.

You and about 95% of fans lol. Don’t sweat it - just trying to educate the masses!

He was terrible in man coverage when he started those two games.

Is there anything on there that has yards allowed after a missed tackle? I'd be more interested in that then general tackle rate.

Fixed it for you 😉