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None of that matters because you said it doesn't matter when you have Josh. Now it matters lol. Understand that I'm not using these as legit arguments. I'm simply copying FireChan's arguments to show him how ridiculous the points he's making. I understand context....

So let me get this straight lol. Belicheck is the GOAT, but if he had Mahomes, he would just still be employed? Reid has Mahomes now, has won 3 Super Bowls with him....why are you assuming that Belicheck can't win a Super Bowl with Mahomes? You "think" he would still be employed. Not a very strong argument for the GOAT HC huh? Not completely sure if he's good enough to keep the job with another elite QB. Why are you assuming that coaches like Nate Hackett and Adam Gase would have the same winning percentage as McDermott? You did say, "We have Josh Allen, it doesn't matter."

You clearly stated below that WITHOUT the GOAT QB, the GOAT HC would be fired in 3 seasons. So since we agree Tom Brady is the GOAT QB and with your statement an hour ago....Mahomes and Montana would have gotten Belicheck fired in 3 seasons. Thank you for simplifying it, you made it where you can't deny it lol.

You probably should give up. Asking specific questions, in this case, asking why I think McDermott would have a .600% winning percentage without Allen is eluding to something. I never once never gave indication that McDermott would be as successful without Allen. Okay, I will ask questions then since it's not assuming or eluding to something. Why do you FireChans, believe that the GOAT Coach would have a .300 winning % without the GOAT QB? Why would he have a .300% winning percentage if he had the Second best QB of all time? I'm not eluding to anything. I'm just asking a question. And great example of using an objective topic for a subjective topic. A firetruck is red because it's red. You don't have to elude to it. It's a fact which makes it objective. How good a coach will be or would be without an elite QB is subjective.

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You go to extremes with everything lol. I never said McDermott would be a .600 winning percentage without Josh. Never even eluded to it. I never said that I think McDermott could be the greatest of all time. Never even eluded to it. I also think McDermott would be a mediocre coach without a franchise QB. I think that applies to every head coach. Belicheck is a below average coach without Brady and his record states that. Do you think you're bringing up a unique point or something? Its obvious that the QB is like the Queen on a chess board...it's the most important piece. I don't understand what you're really arguing now because you're adding in assumptions I never made.

No I don't agree with this lol. You are so black and white that it's hard to have a real discussion with you. What if the GOAT coach had the 3rd best QB of all time? Does that still equal fired in 3 seasons? Well there isn't enough data on McDermott's end, since he only has one season without Allen and he went 9-7. Belicheck is 83-104 WITHOUT Brady.....449% winning percentage. He has a .769% winning percentage WITH BRADY.

100%.

This is what you got from what I said? There are different levels of elite. Both Tom Brady and Phillip Rivers were elite....who was the level above? But to respond to your statement, the vast majority of Super Bowls are won by elite franchise QB's.

McDermott is the worst playoff coach in NFL history?

Tom Brady is on a different level elite. Immediately after leaving NE, he won the Super Bowl in Tampa....a team that was 7-9 the year before.

The Falcons hired Raheem Morris over Belicheck....there's a reason.

So as the #2 seed, we had the better roster than the #3 Ravens? The Bills were the better team?

LOL You're the one eliminating all of McDermott's wins against 7th seed teams for your argument! You know the Raven's were road favorites against the Bills last year....I guess that doesn't qualify as an upset.

Message boards aren't exclusively made to talk about hypothetical scenarios.

Yep.

Are highest seeds always the better team lol? Are you going to sit here and tell me that the 2024 Bucs as the 3rd seed were better than Commanders because they were the 6th seed?

Shottenheimer faced multiple 6 seed teams lol. That was the lowest seed at the time lol. I can't use statistics but you can edit statistics. This is a fair argument lol.

Marty Shottenheimer was 5-13 in the playoffs. He is the only coach in NFL history with 200+ regular season wins and a below .500 playoff winning percentage....by a lot. That's a .278 winning %. Just because McDermott hasn't gotten to the Super Bowl doesn't mean he's as bad as the worst playoff coach of all time.

Now we're veering into the "Everything in the NFL happens in a vacuum" conversation.

Yeah you didn't watch the Bills Broncos game that year? You brought up the Bills were 6-6 at one point...why can't we call that a midseason implosion? Are you only going to use "implosion" when it comes to the Dolphins going 2-2 at the end of the year? I didn't start it lol. I was responding to your "take it a step further, if the Bills were in the AFC N (paraphrasing) the Bills wouldn't have as much success". I was just showing you anyone can play the "If" game lol. It was an example dude. This is how strong your agenda is. You need to create a hypothetical situation to move the Bills a division and speculate they wouldn't be as good. How about the other side of this hypothetical situation? If the Bills were in the NFC, they would have made multiple Super Bowls. Am I allowed to move the Bills to another division too or are the rules we must move to a harder division so you think you have a point?

He has always been that way.

2-2 is imploding? So I guess we could say the Bills imploded in the middle of the season right? Dolphins got lucky the Bills imploded or the Bills would have locked up the division by November. See I can spit that crap too. Oh, they got extremely lucky on a special teams big play? We were down by 7....oooooh. Good teams never trail in the 4th in a do or die game I guess. I mean we won the game with the division on the line and the Bills got lucky. Talk about an agenda lol. Incredible take? So Taylor has shown in his career that he can take a team to the divisional or conference final round? Is your definition "deep into the playoffs" Super Bowl and that's it? Conference Championship games aren't deep into the playoffs?

The Bills only beat the Dolphins in week 18 because they imploded? Lets not look at it as we closed the season on a 5 game winning streak. I mean, when a franchise QB and one of the best in the NFL like Joe Burrow goes down, that definitely changes the landscape. Just like if Allen, Mahomes, Jackson etc....go down. There is not a unhealthy obsession from anyone. You pumping up Stefanski for doing it twice, I point out McDermott also made the playoffs with a bad QB.....now I'm attached to that event? I mean talking up a coach with multiple posts, from another team with a career losing record AND on a Bills message board sounds more like an obsession to me. Its not the same because Tyrod will not or ever will take you deep into the playoffs.